Elijah Mohammad
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Message #113263 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) March 13, 2008 15:16:44 ET
In Reply to: Re: Torog posted by Torog (Info) March 13, 2008 05:13:59 ET
"Howdy Elijah,
You ask:
" 1. What is your definition of Islam, and why should we all agree to such a definition?"
I believe that Islam was created by a an arab general,who was also a terrorist and a pedophile,for the express purpose of unifying diverse arab/persian societies and armys,into a cohesive force to directly oppose Judaism and Christianity..the word 'Islam',means to submit..it is a religion of submission and obedience-no free will allowed.
I don't expect anyone to accept my definition and it may not be entirely correct."
Alright. So now, I know where your viewpoint comes from. Correct me if I'm wrong.....Your viewpoint comes from people who hate Islam, yet you have never read the book that is the basis for Islam....am I correct? This is how I was for a long time as well....then, when I investigated in depth and considered it in depth for myself, my viewpoint changed....Let me address your points here....mainly by questions.
1. Where is your proof that Mohammad was a General before he started Islam?
2. Where is your proof that Mohammad was a Terrorist (someone who attempted to accomplish objectives by terrifying innocent people)?
3. Where is your proof that Mohammad was a Pedophile?
4. "Islam" does not just mean "submission"...it comes from the Arabic word, "Salam," and the Hebrew word, "Shalom," which mean "Peace" or "Yielding peacefully." They are also used as greetings "hello" and "goodbye." "Islam" means "to yield in peaceable submission," and that submission is understood to be to God and his word alone, not men.
5. It could similarly be said that Christianity was created for the express purpose of unifying people worldwide in opposition of Judaism and Paganism....and also, that Judaism was created for the express purpose of unifying Jews and Israelites in opposition of Paganism. What is wrong with these two things? For one thing, those were not the only purposes, though they were part of the purpose. But basically, these statements would be true if it were realized that those were not the only reasons Judaism and Christianity were begun...similarly, your statment about Islam would also be true if it were realized that those were not the only reasons it was begun. All the progressive Revelations of God were meant not only to help people individually, and personally, but also to unite true believers against those who held previous Revelations in dishonesty, and began to put their trust in the traditions of men. How would the Christians have continued on at all if they were not made vigilant against the Jews and Pagans, who were constantly attempting to destroy them? How would the Jews have continued on at all if they were not made vigilant against the Pagans, who were constantly attempting to destroy them? Similarly, how would Islam have continued on at all if they were not made vigilant against the Christians, Jews, and Pagans, who were all trying to destroy them?
"You ask:
"2. What "barbaric acts" are there that are being committed anywhere that are supported by the Quran? (Please give chapter and verses)"
Lol..you ain't gonna git me to read the Quran with that there little trick..you may as well ask me to read the necronomicron or some such satanic book-it ain't gonna happen-however,I'll check and see if some of my fellow Freepers have compiled a list of them there verses and chapters-I have seen the verses,I didn't bother to memorize them or their location."
Cool, go ahead and check....I will be ready for the errors promoted by those people. If you are not willing to investigate things for yourself, then how can you know what is true or false about them? I have studied Satanist doctrines....that did not have any negative effect, and did not make me want to become a Satanist. It only made me aware of what they are truly teaching, believing, and practicing, and gave me better understanding so that if I get in a religious discussion with a Satanist, I know what I'm talking about, and don't sound like a haughty and bumbling fool to them....then, they are more likely to hear me out rationally on my points of view. The Bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, not to trust other people alone to tell you what is true or false, and right or wrong. What does the Bible say? "Prove all things." How can you prove anything without investigating the facts about it for yourself? By the way, I was not trying to get you to read the Quran....I figured that since you are so against it, you would already have some kind of knowledge ready to share showing your reasoning as to why you are against it. I see now that you don't have any proof for your position ready. I have time to wait for it though. Bring it on forward.
"When the enemy embeds it's self into the population and uses them as human shields,as was done in Iraq,then innocent people will be killed,Lord knows we try to be as accurate as possible and we have the most accurate weapons in the world. For you to expect surgical precision is ludicrous,even though we do sometimes achieve such and it's an accuracy that is often not achieved,by anyone in the world. Innocent people will always suffer and die in wars and that's a sad fact that you best accept or risk being naive."
Human shields? Oh, you mean like the Israeli soldiers do with young Palestinian children? It is IN NO WAY LUDICROUS to expect surgical precision from soldiers. Just look in your Bible, Torog. Surgical precision is used in every attack mentioned in there that is sanctioned by God. Innocent people are not killed. Why? Because of their weapons and tactics. Soldiers now adays do, and Pagan soldiers have always been different. They are not concerned with sparing innocent lives, and so their weapons and tactics are used in such a way where not only are innocent lives not considered to be of the utmost importance, they are often even taken out of spite, pride, and lust for violence. If our soldiers cared so much about sparing innocent lives, then why not use swords? When the Islamic revolution comes, it will be humane in such a way. Only the guilty will be killed. This is how you differentiate between a just war and an unjust war. Just because others do, or may engage in unjust war, that is no excuse to engage in it ourselves. If we were really concerned with simply defending our homeland, we would have no need to use guns and bombs and tanks except against an invading army while they are still in the field approaching. I'm not saying we should do away with these things, and leave ourselves completely open for attack....what I am saying is that we should not be attacking other places with these weapons, where civillians live. If a population in any land is completely ready and unified to change their own oppressive government, they will....and all they need is swords and baseball bats. Unless you mean to tell me that 20 million determined young men could not storm all governmental power spots and overwhelm them, even with their advanced weapons. How many soldiers and police are in the United States? Probably not even 10 million.
"You mention "true muslims" and I'm assuming that the presumption is that the 'true muslims' out-number the false muslims,yet the true muslims can't seem to stop what's happening..why ?"
Because they are patient and non-violent....they will only rise up when the time is completely ripe....the preference is on using Spiritual Weapons, winning hearts and minds. The same reason the true Christians can't seem to stop what's happening. By all means, don't take my word for it though Torog (as Levar Burton, on "Reading Rainbow" would say). "Take a look, it's in a book." The Bible to be specific....Daniel 11:32-35, Ecclesiastes 4:1-3
"Christians are working day and night,to git Roe vs Wade overturned and a pro-life amendment added to protect the un-born,still abortions continue to be on the rise,I believe..so in that regard,I can see how difficult it is for "true muslims" to git a handle on their false muslims.
I can understand how you can say that muslims who commit barbaric acts,ain't true muslims-I'd say the same about those who call themselves Christian and ain't and commit barbaric acts..it's just that the barbaric acts by those who claim to be muslims,are so numerous and onerous,that to an outsider,it appears that the problem is systemic and deep-rooted and supported by the ideaology involved."
That's what I'm saying about all the "Christian" bombing.
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