Elijah Mohammad
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Message #113268 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) March 13, 2008 20:15:38 ET
In Reply to: Re: Torog posted by forged registration (Info) March 13, 2008 15:22:30 ET
""Just look in your Bible, Torog. Surgical precision is used in every attack mentioned in there that is sanctioned by God. Innocent people are not killed."
- not true elijah: god slaughtered entire villages down to the last woman and child...there is nothing surgically precise about genocide...thankfully, our ethics have evolved since the bronze age but we're still not surgically precise"
Forged, we've already had this discussion, and you failed to prove your point. To prove that innocent people were killed, you must prove that God actually told the Israelites to kill babies that actually existed and/or people who were expressly declared to be innocent. Your case against God is like that of a Sovereign King....and not just any King....a King who not only has authority to punish wrongdoing, but who knows every thought and inclination of the heart of every single human being. You cannot accuse him of commanding that innocent people be killed unless you have sure evidence that certain specific people who are most certainly completely innocent of evil were killed on his orders.
1. Babies are completely innocent of evil, as they can't do anything....there is no solid evidence that there were any babies in the places God ordered wiped out. In fact, there is good evidence that there were no babies there because of extreme fornication, abortion, and infanticide. That evidence being:
A. They had no treatment, prevention, or good knowledge of STDs or the behaviors that cause STDs. (Babies die and women and men are rendered sterile by many different STDs)
B. The inhabitants of these places engaged in extreme fornication (including with animals, which is why even the animals were supposed to be destroyed)...thus, most to all of them had STDs.
C. Included in the practices of their religions, in addition to visiting the temple prostitutes, was abortion and infanticide (child sacrifice).
D. In light of these facts, by the time they reached the full level of corruption, there were, most likely, no babies. Add to this that God's character in the Bible is one which constantly reveals that killing babies is completely unrighteous and unacceptable for people to do, and you see why the evidence in the Bible is that the God of the Bible did not order for any people to kill any babies.
E. No mention of any baby being killed in the actual slaughter that God ordered is ever given....thus, not only is there no evidence FOR there being any babies present there....there is also much evidence AGAINST there being any babies there.
F. In the abscence of ANY evidence, and the presence of plenty of reasonable doubt, under our legal system at least, God cannot be convicted of ordering people to kill any babies.
2. In light of all of the above evidence concerning fornication and killing of babies, and of the omnisciensce of God, and his constant reminders that people killing babies and other innocent people who are older is completely wrong; and in light of the abscence of any evidence showing beyond a reasonable doubt that there were any innocent people or babies(who are always innocent, as they are incapable of performing evil actions) present; the evidence strongly favors the position that in the orders given for the destruction of certain towns mentioned by the prosecution, that God must be found Not Guilty due to plenty of reasonable doubt as to the accusations of the prosecution. Not only that, but there is NO evidence that has been brought forward AT ALL, detailing the profiles and specific cases of ANY INNOCENT VICTIMS of the legal sanctions dealt out by the people of Israel in aforesaid towns on the orders of the All Powerful and Omniscient Creator and Sovereign of the Universe.
In the abscence of ANY evidence whatsoever of the existence of ANY victims, not only must, in any trial, a verdict of Not Guilty be issued, but the trial cannot be allowed to even proceed because of insufficient evidence that any crime was committed.
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