Elijah Mohammad
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Message #113449 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) March 21, 2008 19:49:44 ET
In Reply to: the case of the missing babies: god confesses posted by forged registration (Info) March 21, 2008 14:42:34 ET
""I NEVER SAID, NEITHER DOES THE BIBLE SUPPORT THAT THERE WERE NO INFANTS ANYWHERE...WHAT IT SUPPORTS IS THAT THERE WERE NO I"NFANTS IN THE COMPLETELY WICKED PLACES GOD ORDERED THE ISRAELITES TO DESTROY, AND NO BABIES KILLED BY THE FLOOD."
- you claimed there were no babies anywhere on earth when god mercilessly slaughtered every living substance on the planet with a flood...i have never heard this line of theological reasoning before..can you link me to anyone who shares your missing-babies theory?"
Oh, I thought you were talking about in all times and places....not just specifically the flood. I already quoted you the direct verses showing that there were no babies, why do I need someone else to back me up here....it says in plain black and white in the Bible in the book of Genesis that in the days of the flood the thoughts of the hearts of everybody except Noah and his family were continually only evil. In the book of Jasher, it says in plain black and white that the people on the earth who were alive right before the flood, who were no on the ark were only MEN and WOMEN....no children, no babies.....the plain black and white evidence in the Bible and the book of Jasher(Which the Bible endorses) is that there were no babies and no righteous or innocent people at the time of the flood (because God caused them all to die before the flood came to destroy the wicked, and because the wicked people killed their babies and refused to have sex with women who would not take birth control and render themselves infertile) except for Noah and his immediate family. They were chosen to keep all kinds of land life preserved through the flood, to reintroduce everything again to the earth. ONCE AGAIN, HOWEVER, THIS IS A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER THREAD, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVIDENCE OF GOD ORDERING PEOPLE TO KILL BABIES OR INNOCENT PEOPLE AND THOSE PEOPLE CARRYING OUT THOSE ORDERS.
""IN THE VERSE YOU QUOTE, GOD DOES NOT ORDER FOR THOSE BABIES TO BE KILLED. WHERE IN THAT EXAMPLE DOES IT SAY, "AND THE LORD SPOKE TO THE KING OF THE PERSIANS, AND SAID, SMASH TO DEATH ON THE ROCKS THE BABIES OF THE BABYLONIANS?"
- the bible is the word of god, so every bible quote is from god"
WHO DO YOU KNOW THAT BELIEVES THAT, FORGED? NOBODY IN THIS DISCUSSION THAT I KNOW OF....IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE BIBLE BEING THE WORD OF GOD OR NOT, THAT ALSO CAN BE DISCUSSED IN ANOTHER THREAD, THAT IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS ONE. BESIDES, THAT DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION....MY QUESTION TO YOU WAS:
"WHERE, IN THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE DOES THE BIBLE LITERALLY SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DID THOSE THINGS WE WERE REFERRING TO WERE ORDERED TO BY GOD? WHERE, IN THAT ISAIAH VERSE YOU GAVE, DOES IT SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD DO THOSE THINGS (SMASHING THE BABIES HEADS ON THE ROCKS) AND WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT IT, WOULD BE ORDERED TO DO SO, AND IN SUCH A WAY, BY GOD?"
""SIMILARLY, YOU CANNOT CONVICT THE GOD OF THE BIBLE OF ORDERING PEOPLE TO KILL BABIES OR INNOCENTS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF EVIDENCE OF THE TESTIMONY OF AT LEAST TWO WITNESSES(EXAMPLES)."
- god is his own witness, but since you don't trust the word of god, noah and his family were witnesses to the genocide-by-flood, unless they're liars too...the book of joshua provides first hand accounts of the conquest and *complete* slaughter of seven(?) kingdoms...that's a divinely inspired confession from god"
ONCE MORE, WHO SAYS THAT THE WHOLE BIBLE IS THE LITERAL WORD OF GOD? THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE. WE ARE DISCUSSING IF THE EVIDENCE OF THE BIBLE AS A WHOLE IS THAT THE GOD DESCRIBED BY THE WRITERS OF THE BIBLE AS A WHOLE ORDERS PEOPLE TO SLAUGHTER BABIES AND INNOCENT PEOPLE. WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A COURT, WHERE TWO WITNESSES MUST BE BROUGHT TO ESTABLISH EVIDENCE, AS THE BIBLE ITSELF REQUIRES...AND IT IS NOT SELF-EXCLUSIVE IN THAT......ONE VERSE IS NOT ENOUGH, BECAUSE THAT WITNESS MIGHT BE CORRUPTED....THIS IS ACCORDING TO MULTIPLE WITNESSES FROM THE BIBLE.
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"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
- 2 Timothy 3:16-17"
THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SCRIPTURE? ACCORDING TO SOURCES I HAVE SEEN, IT IS WRITINGS OF MEN WHO ARE INSPIRED BY GOD OR DIRECTLY SPOKEN TO BY GOD OR HIS ANGELS TO WRITE CERTAIN SPECIFIC THINGS. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE EITHER FROM THE BIBLE ITSELF, OR FROM OTHER SOURCES, THAT EVERYTHING PUT INTO THE BIBLE (WHICH, THE OLD TESTAMENT WAS RE-COMPILED AND CONTROLLED FOR A LONG TIME BY PAGANIZED JEWS AND THE NEW TESTAMENT, BY ROMAN PAGANS) IS THE LITERAL WORD OF GOD (SCRIPTURE). AGAIN, THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THOUGH.
"from the genocidal book of joshua:
6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
8:26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.
10:28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain : and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho.
10:29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah:
10:30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it ; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho.
10:31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it:
10:32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein , according to all that he had done to Libnah.
10:33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining.
10:34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it:
10:35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day , according to all that he had done to Lachish.
10:36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it:
10:37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining , according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein.
10:38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it:
10:39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining : as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king.
10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.
10:41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon.
11:8 And the LORD delivered them into the hand of Israel, who smote them, and chased them unto great Zidon, and unto Misrephothmaim, and unto the valley of Mizpeh eastward; and they smote them, until they left them none remaining.
11:9 And Joshua did unto them as the LORD bade him: he houghed their horses, and burnt their chariots with fire. "And Joshua did unto them as the LORD bade him: he houghed their horses."
11:10 And Joshua at that time turned back, and took Hazor, and smote the king thereof with the sword: for Hazor beforetime was the head of all those kingdoms.
11:11 And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire.
11:12 And all the cities of those kings, and all the kings of them, did Joshua take, and smote them with the edge of the sword, and he utterly destroyed them, as Moses the servant of the LORD commanded.
11:13 But as for the cities that stood still in their strength, Israel burned none of them, save Hazor only; that did Joshua burn.
11:14 And all the spoil of these cities, and the cattle, the children of Israel took for a prey unto themselves; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, neither left they any to breathe.
11:15 As the LORD commanded Moses his servant, so did Moses command Joshua, and so did Joshua; he left nothing undone of all that the LORD commanded Moses."
ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS NOT NEW EVIDENCE, WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, AND YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO SHOW EITHER WHERE IN THOSE VERSES, BABIES OR INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE MENTIONED TO BE PRESENT, NOR HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO SHOW THAT I AM WRONG ABOUT THE GENERAL CONDITION OF THOSE PEOPLES [BIRTH CONTROL WOMEN SLEPT WITH ONLY, BABIES KILLED/SACRIFICED, INNOCENT FAMILIES LEAVING BEFOREHAND IN MASS EXODUSES BECAUSE OF GOD GRADUALLY DRIVING THE PEOPLE OUT (TO SAVE THE INNOCENT, AND KEEP THE LAND FROM BECOMING WILDERNESS)]....AS THE BIBLE TESTIFIES TO.
"more signed confessions from god:
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
- Hosea 13:16, slaughtering baby and fetus alike
Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
- Isaiah 13:16, dismembering children
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
- Ezekiel 9:6, KILL THEM ALL (except for the made men)"
NONE OF THESE VERSES DESCRIBE GOD ORDERING PEOPLE TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE....THE FIRST TWO DESCRIBE GOD CAUSING A MAN TO PROPHECY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, NOT ORDERING ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING....THE THIRD AND LAST VERSE DESCRIBES GOD ORDERING ANGELS TO DESTROY EVIL MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND TODDLERS IN A PLACE (NO BABIES MENTIONED TO BE KILLED), AND TO SPARE ALL OF THE INNOCENT, WHO SIGH AND CRY FOR ABOMINATIONS DONE THERE.....BABIES CERTAINLY DO CRY AND SIGH WHENEVER THEY SEE SOMETHING WICKED HAPPENING....INNOCENT PEOPLE DO TOO.
"there ya go: babies did exist in biblical times because it says so in the bible...bailiff, remand god into custody for sentencing!!"
NOBODY IS ARGUING WHETHER BABIES EXISTED OR NOT IN BIBLICAL TIMES IN GENERAL, WE ARE DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE BABIES SLAUGHTERED IN SLAUGHTERS (OR INNOCENT PEOPLE) IN CERTAIN SPECIFIC PLACES AND TIMES, WHERE THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE AND BABIES KILLED WERE SPECIFICALLY KILLED BY PEOPLE ORDERED BY GOD DIRECTLY TO DO SO. YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THIS, YOU HAVE FAILED GIVEN MULTIPLE CHANCES TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE, AND YOU HAVE CONTINUED TO GIVE NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS, ONLY STORIES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC.
CASE DISMISSED!!!
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