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Message #113553 posted by forged registration (Info) March 27, 2008 15:17:05 ET
In Reply to: Re:remember being brainwashed? posted by Dabullz (Info) March 27, 2008 08:34:02 ET
"Islam is simply continuing a war that has been waged since around 700-
800ad. The fact is they are winning now, hence, the amount of effort put
forth to eliminate the elements of radicalism."
- huh? islam is winning? winning WHAT? islam didn't invade iraq and afghanistan...islam didn't beat iraq senseless in the first gulf war and bomb it twice a week for ten years between wars...islam didn't starve up to a million iraqis to death with its trade embargo...islam didn't support the brutal dictatorship of saddam hussein who gassed his own people and operated torture chambers...islam didn't overthrow the democratically elected leader of iran and replace him with a brutal right wing dictator...islam didn't create israel and unconditionally support it's illegal occupations
islam lost it's wars in the crusades and they are losing their wars now...a turkish islamist movement made the last real attempt save the caliphate back in the early 1900's and failed when the ottoman empire collapsed after WWI (and western powers broke the promises made by 'lawrence of arabia')...the empire was broken into pieces and led by dictators and monarchies that copied western systems of government administration, dashing any hopes of reviving the islamists medieval fantasies...with a few exceptions, the islamists fell in on themselves
their theocratic nationalism was invoked after the creation of israel, but they were smashed again after repeated pummelling by the IDF in the six days and yom kippur wars and the unconditional support of the usa...most muslims do not want to live in the dark ages, so the islamicists needed another outside force to bring support back to their cause...the soviet union stepped into the breach by invading afghanistan, and the usa gladly supplied/supported the islamists who rushed into afghanistan to fight the jihad...after the soviets won all the battles, but lost the war and retreated, the afghan islamists fought eachother for years until the taliban emerged as the dominant force...again, the islamists needed another pearl harbour to reinvigorate their cause...this time the usa provided the fertilizer by bombing/starving iraq, installing military bases in saudi arabia (home of the two holiest muslim cities), punishing the palestinians, and maintaining the unconditional support of israel's illegal occupations/policies and the corrupt saudi regime
al qaida is a small, weak, loosely organized non-state group, and there isn't widespread muslim support for islamists in general...we keep giving them pearl harbours to bring support to their cause...the vast majority of the resistance to the occupation of iraq comes from iraqis, not al qaida, but the usa has tried to paint the resistance as the desperate acts of islamists from al qaida and 'foreign fighters'...arabs are capable of fighting their own terrorists, and we have the resources to defend ourselves...there is no need for us to be over there, pretending to be winning or losing, unless the real reason to be there is to secure the oil
islam cannot win/lose a war with the usa because it is a religion (can drugs ever win the war on drugs?)...the united states cannot win because 1)the american people are not motivated to lose more money and lives to a pointless conflict and 2)the insurgents are never going to quit and go home because they are already home
as US intelligence agencies and the pentagon concluded, using US military force against sovereign muslim countries radicalizes muslims...forcing democracy(tm) upon people at the point of a gun is not going to eliminate the elements of radicalism, it's going to feed them, even if people get to vote every four years
OK put your head back in your ass and pretend that stink of shit is roses from grateful iraqis to american liberators
"When this is over, if it is over, this war will have horrible consequences. Instead of having one Bin Laden, we will have one hundred."
- Hosni Mubarak, Egypt's President, 2003
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