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bum Premier Member Registered on Mar-04-2001 More User Info Message #292675 posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 00:10:18 ET with the flick of a switch, would you? it would kill every human including yourself. i might. there's so much horrific suffering out there... perhaps it's better to just be gone. now that would be an accelerated rapture LOL i think it's an issue of hope. if i wouldn't, it would be because i was hopeful of us humans to unite and help and love each other wholly and completely. i have no idea what it would take. perhaps it will never happen. it would be some kind of evolution....

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american P s y c h O Registered on Mar-04-2002 More User Info Message #292676 posted by american P s y c h O (Info) May 04, 2008 02:00:16 ET In Reply to: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you too) posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 00:10:18 ET I just went to a presentation on the ethics of suicide, which was centered around the three Christian virtues of faith, hope, and love. I wish I wrote down some of the book names that the guy cited, they seemed interesting. I'm not going to remember them, but I thought of these.. Have you ever read Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus? It's fairly short. "One must imagine Sisyphus happy." Sorrow Acre by Isak Dinesen (very short)? “He saw the ways of life . . . as a twined and tangled design, complicated and mazy; it was not given him or any mortal to command or control it. Life and death, happiness and woe, the past and the present, were interlaced within the pattern." If you read it, expect to see a similarity to the fall of man in the Bible (at far as the sequence of events goes, sort of). Are you familiar with utilitarianism? We could consider that view, because utilitarians would certainly have a lot to say about this. You could look up the ethical considerations for dealing with population and future generations. There would be many pertinent arguments there. If you want, I can look more into specific authors or articles for you to read if you want. Hell I could even loan you some books and packets. I just finished up my last exam/papers on Friday, so I'm officially done with college work :D That means I have a few days to only do what I want, until the actual graduation date.

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american P s y c h O Registered on Mar-04-2002 More User Info Message #292677 posted by american P s y c h O (Info) May 04, 2008 02:05:16 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by american P s y c h O (Info) May 04, 2008 02:00:16 ET bum, I just realized we registered on the same date, only (exactly) a year apart. And if I could do it, I wouldn't. So don't you go doin it either!

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Discordia Registered on Nov-13-2005 More User Info Message #292678 posted by Discordia (Info) May 04, 2008 03:23:46 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by american P s y c h O (Info) May 04, 2008 02:05:16 ET I could see doing it. I'd probably circle the magic switch for years and then one day, I'd decide, what the fuck, and flick it. The thing that would really give me pause would be the thought of all the animals in zoos, all the dogs, cats, birds, ferrets and whatever else people keep slowly dying of thirst. It's a bad way to go. People ain't ever gonna get together and love one another. Things are going to get leaner and meaner with less resources and more people - 250,000 new mouths to feed every day. 1,000,000 new people in the world every 4 days. isn't that staggering? I don't see a world of peace and tranquility ahead of us. But is nature really any less flawed? Mother leopards will injure an animal and bring it back to the den for the cubs to practise on. I've read of deer in the far north being driven to run off cliffs due to the torment of the summer swarms of bugs. And carnivores - they kill other animals to survive and when they get too old and slow, they gradually starve to death. So maybe that switch would be better used to wipe out every living thing on earth...and maybe the next evolution, if it occurred before the end of the universe, would be better.

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STLsmoker Registered on Feb-10-2002 More User Info Message #292679 posted by STLsmoker (Info) May 04, 2008 03:28:06 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by Discordia (Info) May 04, 2008 03:23:46 ET fuck that, no are you kidding me. i wouldn't be opposed to killing errybody and just being the only person on the planet the only problem that poses is that their are no bitches fuck people but i love pussy

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tiredoftheshit Registered on Apr-12-2008 More User Info Message #292682 posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 04, 2008 11:36:57 ET In Reply to: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you too) posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 00:10:18 ET I'd stay alive and keep everyone else alive, because there's nothing else to do. There's no pie in the sky waiting for us. Either we make it here or... zippo--nothing--nada. We may all kill ourselves anyway, but at least there's a slim chance that things might work out in a positive manner. Being conscious and living seems fun and exciting, sometimes, even if the fun diminishes with age. There's always something good that life brings along, whether it be a new toy, new TV show, new video game, or a new friend. Also there is the potential to do good works, and help others and there is pleasure to be had doing that.

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bum Premier Member Registered on Mar-04-2001 More User Info Message #292685 posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 17:56:31 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 04, 2008 11:36:57 ET no no, if you flipped the switch, everybody would die INCLUDING you. ps, tiredoftheshit, that was a feeling i had to.. living is funner than not living. for some anyway.

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jon104 Registered on Dec-15-2005 More User Info Message #292687 posted by jon104 (Info) May 05, 2008 12:30:49 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 17:56:31 ET Only the soviets and Boosh have that power!! Damn nukes

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tiredoftheshit Registered on Apr-12-2008 More User Info Message #292690 posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 05, 2008 16:13:14 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by jon104 (Info) May 05, 2008 12:30:49 ET hey if they launched all the nukes, I still think there would be a couple of survivors here and there, for instance on the Pacific islands, or in Antartica. The farthest reaches of the globe, and central Africa/South America where there don't seem to be that many strategic targets. I'm not saying the survivors would have it easy, but they'd make it...

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tiredoftheshit Registered on Apr-12-2008 More User Info Message #292691 posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 05, 2008 16:17:09 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 17:56:31 ET Yeah, bum, like if we thought dying was better, why get up in the morning? Or why get high (or drunk in my case)? Dying just doesn't seem like all that much fun, unless the alternative is a long prison sentence or something like that. I know there are situations where I'd prefer to have an "instant out" option available. For instance, inoperable cancer or late-stage AIDS. The same society that prohibits drugs to ease the pain, also prohibits mercy-killing to ease the pain. A sadistic thread running through in our society? I think it's the conservative Christian element that thinks God wants us to suffer. Ignoring the fact that God put cannabis on the earth, let us discover carbon monoxide, etc., etc.

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peace frog Premier Member Registered on Jan-08-2002 More User Info Message #292693 posted by peace frog (Info) May 05, 2008 17:00:30 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 05, 2008 16:17:09 ET u kill yourself bum, dont drag the rest of us into this. hell no i wouldnt eradicate the human race. once we manage to get along with each other, who knows what we'll accomplish and evolve into. dumb question

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bum Premier Member Registered on Mar-04-2001 More User Info Message #292697 posted by bum (Info) May 06, 2008 02:28:12 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by peace frog (Info) May 05, 2008 17:00:30 ET we sure have been bumpin' heads haven't we peace frog? lol there is no dragging. it wouldn't matter whether i flipped the switch or not. you or i wouldn't know the difference. dumb answer, peace frog. no, just kidding, that's not a dumb answer. you have hope, and that's beautiful. hope is the only thing that would stop me from flipping the switch as i said earlier in the thread. but unfortunately i now tend to think that ideas of humans all getting along are unattainable illogical utopias. but i don't know for sure, so i'm not going to say your answer is dumb. but it very well could be. i'm sure you think this answer is dumb, because obviously you know the ^*truth*^ although i would go so far as to say there is no such thing as a dumb question or answer. it's a word like evil: it doesn't exist in the real world. my real point here is that it wouldn't matter if we flipped the switch-- there would be no one for it to matter to.

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tiredoftheshit Registered on Apr-12-2008 More User Info Message #292705 posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 06, 2008 15:20:24 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by bum (Info) May 06, 2008 02:28:12 ET Hey bum, I think the reason the human race is so violent and can't get along, is because of the struggle for survival. If we create a world where there is enough food and people are generally content then perhaps we can evolve into a peaceful race. I think the evolution is already happening. The violent buttheads wind up in prison or get killed in war. I may be wrong in my optimism. Though we do have world peace in most of the developed countries at least, there are disturbing trends in the direction of fascism, like the war on drugs, and the repression in China against democratic activists, and the repression of Tibet and Myanmar. It seems like every time the human race takes two steps forward, it also takes one step back. Here in America, we enjoyed the Clinton years of prosperity and peace only to slide back to the Republicans and their war fantasies. There are still enormous pressures on people nowadays that lead them in the direction of violence, hate and warfare and I don't see any sign of that abating in the near future. It's going to be a difficult test of the human race to see whether it can survive its own aggressive nature.

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peace frog Premier Member Registered on Jan-08-2002 More User Info Message #292708 posted by peace frog (Info) May 06, 2008 21:30:20 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 06, 2008 15:20:24 ET """and can't get along, is because of the struggle for survival. If we create a world where there is enough food and people are generally content then perhaps we can evolve into a peaceful race. """ you know what the sad thing is? there is PLENTY of food to feed the whole world. the farm subsidies in america pay farmers to NOT grow crops, and even to dump excess food into the ocean. we are in an era of food OVERproduction, thats why all the subsidies! its not a problem of amount of food, its global economic inequalities.... the starving countries simply have no money for food, and we can't just give it to them without hurting our own agribusiness (biggest business in the country). Bum, ya part of the reason i posted a harsh answer is cuz we were buttin heads about PETA :) the real reason i wouldn't eriadicate the human race is that it is going to happen anyways. earth is habitable for humans right now, but in 100,000 years or so it probably will not be. there have been 5 mass extinctions on earth, and we are in the midst of the 6th. i say let nature take its course. who am i to decide the fate of man?

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bum Premier Member Registered on Mar-04-2001 More User Info Message #292712 posted by bum (Info) May 07, 2008 00:12:56 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by peace frog (Info) May 06, 2008 21:30:20 ET "i say let nature take its course. who am i to decide the fate of man? " my answer to that would be, nature. peace frog, could you point me to information on this excess food dumping? that is so ridiculous it makes me want to flip the switch. *blink*

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #292717 posted by Torog (Info) May 07, 2008 07:13:01 ET In Reply to: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you too) posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 00:10:18 ET Howdy bum, I wouldn't flick that switch,because I'd never commit suicide or murder. There wouldn't be so much suffering in the world,if all folks agreed to confront evil and stop it dead in it's tracks..and if more countries around the world,did more to help. Have a good one ...

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bum Premier Member Registered on Mar-04-2001 More User Info Message #292720 posted by bum (Info) May 07, 2008 12:20:09 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you too) posted by Torog (Info) May 07, 2008 07:13:01 ET hey torog, you just used circular reasoning.. 'i wouldn't eat an orange, because i'd never peel fruit or put fruit pulp in my mouth.' could you perhaps explain why you wouldn't murder us all (and you)? :)

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #292728 posted by Torog (Info) May 08, 2008 07:13:51 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by bum (Info) May 07, 2008 12:20:09 ET Howdy bum, You ask: "could you perhaps explain why you wouldn't murder us all (and you)? :) " No problemo..I'm a Christian and don't believe in suicide or murder. I believe that it's my duty to serve God and Jesus..and that would not be possible,if I and everyone else was dead. 'Flicking the switch' is a means to appoint oneself as God..I would never be so arrogant or presumptious. The one 'switch' that comes close,is MAD...mutual assured destruction..in which case-it would be our leaders who 'flick the switch'..not you or I. :) Have a good one !

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bum Premier Member Registered on Mar-04-2001 More User Info Message #292731 posted by bum (Info) May 08, 2008 13:10:07 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by Torog (Info) May 08, 2008 07:13:51 ET ah i see torog. flipping the switch surely does not fit in with christianity. thanks for the explanation :)

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peace frog Premier Member Registered on Jan-08-2002 More User Info Message #292733 posted by peace frog (Info) May 08, 2008 17:03:26 ET In Reply to: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you too) posted by bum (Info) May 04, 2008 00:10:18 ET bum, google "food dumping," you'll find all info u want im sure. food dumping has two meanings. 1. donating food, or "dumping" food to the third world for free or at costs well below market price. this undercuts local farmers, puts them out of business, and gives further market share to the US. then when US aid dries up in that region, they are worse off than before the dumping because many local farmers are gone. 2. literally dumping food into the ocean to raise the price. for example, if the market price of rice drops too low where farmers can't stay afloat, they will simply dump rice into the ocean, lowering the total supply, and raising the price. this isnt too common, but it happens. most food bailed into the ocean has spoiled, or has become contaminated. seems wasteful, but if you understand number 1, simply giving our excess food away doesnt make sense either.

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pisshead80 Registered on Mar-10-2001 More User Info Message #292785 posted by pisshead80 (Info) May 11, 2008 12:24:57 ET In Reply to: Re: if you could kill everyone in the world..(you posted by bum (Info) May 08, 2008 13:10:07 ET neither does wishing death upon an entire generation of people as torog lusts for... ask torog if there was a switch that would kill all brown people in the middle east who aren't christian and see what he says... torog uses selective christianity...

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