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lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates.

goboleko Registered on Jun-15-2006 More User Info Message #17251 posted by goboleko (Info) July 11, 2006 02:14:16 ET Greetings my agrarian rebels, I'm putting together a small grow room, and am trying to get a handle on what I'm going to be able to produce with the resources I have available... My flowering room will be about 6' by 6', and I have a pretty nice hood set up I built years ago with a 250w hps and a 250 watt mh which measures about 18" x 3'. It worked really well back in the day. I'm planning to do a fluorescent veg / prop. area under my 3' by 5' "legit plant" table in an ajoining room. I've got some big bud seed stock, which I hoped to get going in my veg. garden, but have not been able to germinate. I've got 7 beans left, and am debating whether to use them, or use my outdoor stock for cuttings. I've got some small starts happening that were just some seeds taken from a sack I enjoyed a few months ago. They seem to be some nice squat plants ( 5 frond leaves) that should do well indoors. They're doing their thing with the 'maters and should be good to take cuttings when my room is ready to go in about a month. Should I go with them, or give the big bud a try? My other questions are... How many plants should I expect to efficiently grow under my 250 / 250 hood? Should I get some new bulbs? They seem fine, but have not been used regularly in years. I'm planning to use soil for starters, and build an aeroponic system a little later. Should I go with 5 gallon or three gallon containers. What about supplementing my hps/ mh set up with some fluro units attached horizontally directly to the wall? What kind of harvest should I expect? An ounce? a QP? a bale? What about soil nutrients? I use a vitamin product along with miracle grow called superthrive for my legit gardening and love it. Any ideas for the hemp? I'm hoping to get my first harvest in by the end of November. That seem pretty reasonable. I'm still in the build out phase for my room, so I'm trying to do it right the first time, and not have to reconfigure or radicly change my space once I'm up and running. I'll look forward to reading your expert ideas. Thanks, GOKO

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Tim Nashly Registered on Aug-04-2005 More User Info Message #17252 posted by Tim Nashly (Info) July 11, 2006 03:16:44 ET In Reply to: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates. posted by goboleko (Info) July 11, 2006 02:14:16 ET carrie on with the strain you are already growing and get big bud ready for when its convenient like im between harvests , use the clones and to the other questions , how many plants expecting to grow under a 250 250 hood so 500 the same as you would under a 600 so ?better yet buy a 600watt HPS if your give a plant 1ft squared 18? if you give a plant 20cm squared about 50? if you give a plant 15cm squared 72 ? i used a 2 250watt hps and a 110 florecent between them over a garden of 42 and it worked fine and they were in soil to (hand watered lol) get new bulbs? well yes, well depending on how long you used them when you were growing before .if it was up to 9 months replace them if it was under that use the old ones use 3 gallon buckets with soil no need to go bigger more light on walls ,everyone on here will say yes lol. sanclem will say about the grams/watt ratio lol expecting harvests lol, dont expect anything and if you get anything its all good lol. my mate expects too much of his /her plants so when he/she come to harvest he/she is always disapointed , me i expect 0.5 oz per plant normally i get 2/4 oz per plant at 2ft high so its still alllllll goooood lol. .......if that isnt any help .look for an ounce per plant harvested at 2 ft high miricle grow lol hahah i hate that stuff , the best soil ferts for grass is" canna" "canna tera vega"(veg fretalizer) & "canna tera flores" (flowering fertalizer) also get some "canna PK13/14" (super bloom), and yess add some superthrive to the mix lol thats cool stuff through . before november yes easy ! cut some clones and root 2 weeks, veg for 2/4weeks flower for 2 months harvest around late october/early november as your in the building phase get some clones cut now so when you finish they will be rooted . peace

Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates.

goboleko Registered on Jun-15-2006 More User Info Message #17253 posted by goboleko (Info) July 11, 2006 04:20:08 ET In Reply to: Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates. posted by Tim Nashly (Info) July 11, 2006 03:16:44 ET Tim, Big thanks for the info. I like the idea of expecting nothing, but I like the 1oz per plant estimate better. My goal is to keep myself and an ailing friend in smoke, and it seems that will be a real possibility. I'm definitely going to replace my bulbs, but would you recommend going with a single 600 watt hps as opposed to two 400 watt hps in my existing hood? Thanks, GOKO

Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates.

Tim Nashly Registered on Aug-04-2005 More User Info Message #17254 posted by Tim Nashly (Info) July 11, 2006 17:42:13 ET In Reply to: Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates. posted by goboleko (Info) July 11, 2006 04:20:08 ET i no you said ur flowering room is 6ft x 6ft but what is the area of the plants as you need to get in and around them ,if you have plants in just 4.5ft by 4.5ft you can get away with 1 x 600 watt ,the thing about 400 s is they only are up to 1m squared, so the grow area will get 400 watts time 2 but the length of the light travelling is the same ,the intencity is double (2 x 400watt) but the area is still 1m squared ......you might aswell use a 1000watt and have the plants up to the walls 6ft x 6ft ...... personally i would go for the 600 over a 4.5ft squared garden it is cheaper and produces very nice bud and with a high yeilding strain ie big bud yeilding 450grams per meter squared thats about 600 grams every 8/9 weeks im sure 600 grams ( 21.4 ounces lol) every 2 months is acceptable ? im pritty sure you can harvest more than that but thats a basic big bud fact lol

Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates.

goboleko Registered on Jun-15-2006 More User Info Message #17255 posted by goboleko (Info) July 12, 2006 01:17:49 ET In Reply to: Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates. posted by Tim Nashly (Info) July 11, 2006 17:42:13 ET Tim, Funny thing... I was running my lights today for an extended burn test, and my mh ballast took a dump... so it looks like I'm going to do a little shopping whether I want to or not. My hood is best described as a double bubble. I took two reflectors scavenged from some parking lot lights and bolted them into an aluminium frame I constructed. So in reality, my pattern is rectangular, not square. Realisticly, my actual grow area will be more like 4' by 6'. I'm considering running the exisitng 250 hps on one side, and going with a 400 watt hps on the other, rotating the plants to compensate for the lopsided lumens as needed. I'm a little concearned about power consumption and heat, so I'm a little reluctant to bump up to a 1k hps. Besides, I'm thinking the pattern of my double bubble rig will fit my space nicely. What do you think? On another note, is it worth the added expense of purchasing grow specific ballasts and bulbs, or is it ok to use the equipment available at my local electrical supply house? (i'm a capable electrican, so I'm not worried about proper assembly or safety.) I know in the orchid community, few if any cultivators endorse grow specific bulbs, but they tend to stick to fluorescent shop lights. I just can't wait to get my set up happening and post some pix. Let me know what you think. GOKO

Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates.

Tim Nashly Registered on Aug-04-2005 More User Info Message #17256 posted by Tim Nashly (Info) July 12, 2006 16:29:07 ET In Reply to: Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates. posted by goboleko (Info) July 12, 2006 01:17:49 ET shit i just irrazed this message and now writing it again fuck .understand about the reflector now if the grow space is 6' x 4' get a 600 watt HPS and save your self 50 watts and the labour of getting an even spread ( a 600 will sit nicely in that space ) ,if you still want to get a 400 get a light mover that rotates so you can spin the 400 + the 250 and get an even spread .personally i would go for the 600 myself lest electricity and labour .... which is nice lol. now i no and obviously you do that the normal grow lamps and ballasts that are found in hydroponic shops are the same ones (nere enough) in the electrical supplier shops, the only difference is the bulb the bulb in hydro top set ups are normally "agro bulbs " that are just for plant growth in fact there are about 5 to choose from in the electricity suppliers the standard is normally the son-t basic bulb now the flowering frequency is 2700 kelvin the basic son t is about 1900 buy there are bulbs in between the 2, i found one that was 2500k and throught that it would surfice, i asked a local hydroshop ,the guy i get on with about the kelvin range ,he said that the basic hydroponic grow lights are 1900 kelvin , which is crap but they grow plant fine ........ the thing i found out is this its not about the kelvin its the .....light output,,,,,,,, so fuck the expensive grow bulbs and buy cheap ones that are close to the kelvin of 2700 but it doesnt need to be perfect! stick with HPSs dont do flos unless your vegging hope that answers your questions peace

pot math

sanclem Premier Member Registered on Nov-16-2000 More User Info Message #17269 posted by sanclem (Info) July 22, 2006 00:39:46 ET In Reply to: Re: lighting v. plant numbers v. harvest estimates. posted by goboleko (Info) July 12, 2006 01:17:49 ET 35-50 watts per sq ft .35 to .5 grams per watt scrog system will get you to the higher w/g/months The bottom line of growing is simple math. 1000 grams of clean dry, ready to go bud 1000 watts of power ( I like MH as it has alway worked for me in test ) months so it comes out to .5 grams per watt. Note the best I have see is .6 grams per watt month, by tic on overgrow. Note its a hell of a lot work for a scrog system, I'm lazy with a average of .468 g/w/m , with White widow, ecogrow/ecobloom, ebb and flow, automated system, with mixed lighting sequencing,co2 at 1450 ppm, at 92 deg f. just the simple things.

Re: pot math

Tim Nashly Registered on Aug-04-2005 More User Info Message #17272 posted by Tim Nashly (Info) July 22, 2006 15:16:56 ET In Reply to: pot math posted by sanclem (Info) July 22, 2006 00:39:46 ET sanclem why dont you try a higher yeilding strain or do you like ww ? you should think about super silver haze , g13 or white rhino ? just as strong but more yeild , get your grams per watts up a bit peace

To lazy is the bottom line

sanclem Premier Member Registered on Nov-16-2000 More User Info Message #17273 posted by sanclem (Info) July 23, 2006 01:09:38 ET In Reply to: Re: pot math posted by Tim Nashly (Info) July 22, 2006 15:16:56 ET I have always tried to get a good product, from a good seed. I'm to lazy and thank you for you info. The bast producer I have had was thunderfuck, but the smell was so bad/good. Hows the smell of the three strains when max'ed out. I have use all automation and you can realy maximize the bitches. Need to try something new, that takes less work. Thanks Nasty may your buds stick to the walls. Peace for piece , ass for grass

Re: pot math

caligrowin Registered on Sep-30-2006 More User Info Message #17287 posted by caligrowin (Info) September 30, 2006 17:45:20 ET In Reply to: pot math posted by sanclem (Info) July 22, 2006 00:39:46 ET Hey guys...I see the best that has been produced here is .5 grams per watt. I am shooting for 1.0 g/w. I have been told this is a reliable estimate based on experience. I will keep y'all posted and give details if it works..Anybody out there want to double their yeild??

want to double their yeild

sanclem Premier Member Registered on Nov-16-2000 More User Info Message #17297 posted by sanclem (Info) October 03, 2006 21:38:57 ET In Reply to: Re: pot math posted by caligrowin (Info) September 30, 2006 17:45:20 ET Remember time is part of the math. Growing with a full, system makes it kind of hard. Now you can grow for 10 monthe and kick in the bloom for 60 days. The bottom line is time. Now I have grown .5+ but the strain was impossible to get rid of the smell. Thunderfuck

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