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Muslims to outnumber Catholic Churchgoers in UK
Torog
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Message #113538 posted by Torog (Info) March 26, 2008 09:14:51 ET


Muslims 'to outnumber traditional (Catholic) churchgoers' (UK - in next decade)

Telegraph ^ | March 26, 2008 | Jonathan Petre



The increasing influence of Islam on British culture is disclosed in research today that shows the number of Muslims worshipping at mosques in England and Wales will outstrip the numbers of Roman Catholics going to church in little more than a decade.


Projections show Muslims are to outstrip Catholic Sunday worshippers by 2020



Projections to be published next month estimate that, if trends continue, the number of Catholic worshippers at Sunday Mass will fall to 679,000 by 2020.

By that time, statisticians predict, the number of Muslims praying in mosques on Fridays will have increased to 683,000.

The Christian Research figures also suggest that, over the same period, the number of Muslims at mosques will overtake Church of England members at Sunday services.

Church spokesmen point out, however, that a growing number of Anglicans worship at other times of the week.

The projections show that, if the Churches do not reverse their historical decline, there will be more active Muslims than Christians in Sunday services across Britain before the middle of the century.

The figures, based on Government and academic sources and the latest edition of Christian Research's Religious Trends, come amid growing tensions over the place of Muslims in British society.

They follow fierce rows over the extent to which Islamic law should be recognised and over claims that "no-go" areas for non-Muslims are emerging in parts of the country.

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Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, provoked criticism by saying the introduction of some aspects of sharia into British society was "unavoidable".

The Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, faced death threats after writing in The Sunday Telegraph that Islamic extremism was turning some communities into "no-go" areas "where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability".

Peter Brierley, a former Government statistician who edited the latest Religious Trends, said that the continuing growth of the Muslim population since the 2001 census would have significant implications for society.


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Re: Muslims to outnumber Catholic Churchgoers in U
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Message #113539 posted by Dabullz (Info) March 26, 2008 12:16:31 ET
In Reply to: Muslims to outnumber Catholic Churchgoers in UK posted by Torog (Info) March 26, 2008 09:14:51 ET

You also might be interested to know that last year in France more Muslim
children were born than native French children.

Lets just get it over with - Europe is finished as we know it. Due to the ugliness
of their past and their denial of their historical faith, they no longer have
anything to die for, and therefore, nothing to live for.

As far as I concerned, lets stop wasting our resources on resuscitating the dead
- disband NATO, disband/reorganize UN, and deal with the cultures that matter
in the 21st century and beyond.




Re: Muslims to outnumber Catholic Churchgoers in U
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Message #113547 posted by Torog (Info) March 27, 2008 05:59:16 ET
In Reply to: Re: Muslims to outnumber Catholic Churchgoers in U posted by Dabullz (Info) March 26, 2008 12:16:31 ET


Howdy DaBullz,

Thanx for the heads-up on France,I suspected that such would be the case soon,so that means that the 'peaceful' jihad is succeeding there as well.

Yer statement,I believe-nails it:

"Lets just get it over with - Europe is finished as we know it. Due to the ugliness
of their past and their denial of their historical faith, they no longer have
anything to die for, and therefore, nothing to live for."

Congrats ! I find I must award you the Hammer Award for nailing it !

Have a good one !


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paranoid islamophobic lies
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Message #113557 posted by forged registration (Info) March 27, 2008 16:09:35 ET
In Reply to: Re: Muslims to outnumber Catholic Churchgoers in U posted by Dabullz (Info) March 26, 2008 12:16:31 ET

"Muslims to outnumber Catholic Churchgoers in UK (by 2020)"

- that is not true...muslims make up less than 3% of the UK's population...the *roman* catholic church has been in decline but there are still more than 5 million members (about 10% of the population)...besides, that totally ignores the fact that over 70% of the UK is christian and mostly catholic...those christians are hiding in the church of england, headed up by the queen, the mother church of the worldwide anglican communion, which is considered catholic, and among whose ranks christian fundamentalism is growing rapidly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England



"You also might be interested to know that last year in France more Muslim
children were born than native French children."

- that is not true...muslims make up 4% of the population of france:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France



"Europe is finished as we know it. Due to the ugliness
of their past and their denial of their historical faith, they no longer have
anything to die for, and therefore, nothing to live for."

- that is not true (and it doesn't make sense either)...europe's history/culture is several thousand years older than the usa's branded civilization(tm)...the population of the european union is 50% larger than the usa, countries are lining up to join, the EU GDP is equal to the USA, and their currency is soaring...the american empire was diagnosed with a fatal disease when the US commerce department announced in sept/85 that the united states had become a debtor nation (and that was back in the good old days of ron reagan and apple pie - uncle sam's vital signs have deteriorated significantly since then)



don't christians have a fatwa against bearing false witness? i read it in the bible, but i don't see it in practice on this thread




Re: paranoid islamophobic lies
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Message #113560 posted by Dabullz (Info) March 27, 2008 18:32:37 ET
In Reply to: paranoid islamophobic lies posted by forged registration (Info) March 27, 2008 16:09:35 ET

You aren't even answering the posts -

Torog's post said that there are more muslims going to the mosque on a
weekly basis then roman catholics going to church on a weekly basis. It had
nothing to do with total population numbers? As far as the Church of
England being Catholic, are you kidding? Northern Ireland ring a bell?

And again, you misrepresented my post - more muslim children were born in
France than native french children last year. What does that have to do with
total population?







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Message #113577 posted by forged registration (Info) March 28, 2008 13:45:33 ET
In Reply to: Re: paranoid islamophobic lies posted by Dabullz (Info) March 27, 2008 18:32:37 ET

the church of england is the anglican catholic church...that identification was lost/misrepresented by the author of that propaganda:

"The Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'"
http://www.cofe.anglican.org/about/history/

you continue to claim that more muslim babies were born in france that french babies...PROVE IT! muslim women would have to be squirting out 25 times as many babies as french women...it is impossible due to the gestational period and reproductive lifespan




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Message #113578 posted by forged registration (Info) March 28, 2008 14:40:28 ET
In Reply to: Re: paranoid islamophobic lies posted by forged registration (Info) March 28, 2008 13:45:33 ET

i think i found the source of the muslim baby claim:

serge trifkovic wrote a book "politically incorrect guide to islam" in which he makes the following unsubstantiated claim:

"On the other side of the Channel, where five million Muslims live and create one-third of all newborn “French” babies, an early campaign of Islamic terror was initiated by a Tunisian named Fouad Salah, who was convicted in 1992 of setting off bombs that killed thirteen Frenchmen in terrorist campaign during 1985-86."

i have tried and failed to verify that one in three babies are muslim as well as DB's claim that more than two in four babies are muslim

little help here anyone? perhaps someone upon whom the burden of proof lies?




Re: paranoid islamophobic lies
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Message #113586 posted by LeftyToker (Info) March 30, 2008 06:53:04 ET
In Reply to: Re: paranoid islamophobic lies posted by forged registration (Info) March 28, 2008 14:40:28 ET



...ha ha ha...
..gotta love it!!!!
..we got Torog finding he must award DB his "Hammer Award",,"for nailing it !"
.
..and we got DaBullz telling FR; "You aren't even answering the posts -"

....even if I was,(or am), a moron, ?/?),
,,a newbie,,who was totally unbiased,
and I just read this thread ..
.Torog and DaBullz provide zero documentation.
..FR takes the time to offer rational support for his counterpoint(s).
...DB and Torog seem to think that they can prove thier erronious statements
with nothin g more than quoting themselves!/?/
..
...I'm sorry, but loudmouth, unsubstantionated assertions such as:

"You also might be interested to know that last year in France
more Muslim children were born than native French children."

...yes,,I might be inter ested if you provided a smidgen of documentation!?
.Just because an article claims something, does not mean it's a fact.
...DaBullz,,,you seem to maybe be lookin' like you might possibly sorta be
kind of a wee bit stupid/?/....;

"You aren't even answering the posts -

Torog's post said that there are more muslims going to the
mosque on a
weekly basis then roman catholics going to church on a weekly
basis. It had
nothing to do with total population numbers? As far as the
Church of
England being Catholic, are you kidding? Northern Ireland ring
a bell?

And again, you misrepresented my post - more muslim children
were born in
France than native french children last year. What does that
have to do with
total population?"

...DB, what qualifies as 'post answering'???,,or 'misrepresentation'?
...FR backs up the things he says with actual documentation, and statistics
from numerous sources!,,yet you, and my friend Torog seem to think
verification and/or proof can be provided from an opinion,,or some quote
from and article!.?/?
...I know,,you'll probably just write all this off as ;Lefty supporting
FR because he's of th e same "ilk"./?/
....I'm ready to listen to anyone, anytime.
..FR does not need any support from me, because he kicked your ass(es)!
....and,,I'm kind of angry with FR, because he made you guys look kinda
stupid, ,, you guys are my friends....
,,and I don t like it when anyone makes my friends look stupid!
,,even if it was unintentional!
..so,,,Back off FR!..just because Torog and DB are challenged in some ways,
it dont mean you have a right to make them look bad!/?/
..ˆ¥√ƒˆ¶…∫...I guess maybe I should stop this post now.
..I've had a rough week./(month)..
..times have been tough..
...worked my fuckin' ass off this week....got paid handsomely..

"little help here anyone? perhaps someone upon whom the burden
of proof lies?"

...............................indeed!...........
ˆ¨ˆ…¨˜…øˆçƒø•¨˙˜
˚˙∆…ˆ¥¨≈ª¶©∫ª•






Re: paranoid islamophobic lies
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Message #113587 posted by Torog (Info) March 30, 2008 06:59:36 ET
In Reply to: Re: paranoid islamophobic lies posted by LeftyToker (Info) March 30, 2008 06:53:04 ET


Howdy LeftyToker,

As my gal would say "yada,yada.."

What's happening in regards to this situation,is so well known that I don't need to provide numbers past what the article alludes to,I'm trying to make a point and git debate,not furnish proof for a criminal trial-this is more akin to the proof required for a civil trial..lol.

Have a good one ! :)


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Message #113589 posted by LeftyToker (Info) March 30, 2008 07:19:06 ET
In Reply to: Re: paranoid islamophobic lies posted by Torog (Info) March 30, 2008 06:59:36 ET

Mornin' Torog...

"What's happening in regards to this situation,is so well known that I don't need to provide numbers past what the article alludes to,I'm trying to make a point and git debate,not furnish proof for a criminal trial-this is more akin to the proof required for a civil trial..lol."


...so...could you please provide the perimeters, and/or basic specifications of this; "debate", ya wanna git??
.
..and,,if the "debate", does not require any proof and/or documentation, then I guess all that's left is opinion/?/
..opinions are not really debatable...
...debating an opinion, is like arguing about a presumption/?/
....everyone is right according to themselves)?(.
......other people are wrong, unless they agree with the person who thinks they are right]]?[[
.…ˆø¨√ˆ¨˜
¬˚¨vo

..hago .r¨




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Message #113591 posted by forged registration (Info) March 30, 2008 12:55:49 ET
In Reply to: Re: paranoid islamophobic lies posted by LeftyToker (Info) March 30, 2008 07:19:06 ET

some facts are so well known that they don't even bother repeating...torog's morality is inflamed over muslim fecundity and footbaths to the point that he can't see what's wrong in his back yard...for example: rape

rape is uncommon in the muslim world, but torog would have us believe muslim women are being gang raped on street corners in broad daylight...in FACT, a texas woman is much more likely to be raped than any muslim woman...texas has one of the highest rape rates in the usa but that ignores the FACT that texas underwent a reformation in the 1920's...prior to that, rape was practically a family tradition as young men were indoctrinated into heterosexuality by raping black and/or hispanic women...young men, sometimes in groups, would be led into rape rooms where they would force themselves on terrified minorities, often to the cheers of their parents and neighbours who would watch...the practice continued up until the 1950's on a lessor basis, but even to this day, over half of texas christian men over 65 have raped a woman

i know this because i read it on the internets last year sometime




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