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U.S. is bombing Somalia (again)

hempity Premier Member Registered on Feb-21-2000 More User Info Message #114317 posted by hempity (Info) May 01, 2008 18:32:56 ET May 1, 2008 U.S. Air Strike Kills Al Qaeda Boss in Somalia By REUTERS Filed at 6:39 a.m. ET MOGADISHU (Reuters) - U.S. war planes killed an Islamist rebel said to be al Qaeda's leader in Somalia and at least a dozen other people on Thursday in Washington's biggest blow against an insurgency raging since 2007. The rebels said Aden Hashi Ayro -- who led al Shabaab militants blamed for attacks on government troops and their Ethiopian allies -- died in the first major success for a string of U.S. air-strikes on Somali insurgents in the last year. "Infidel planes bombed Dusamareb," Shabaab spokesman Mukhtar Ali Robow told Reuters by phone, referring to a town in central Somalia, where body parts lay strewn round a wrecked house. "Two of our important people, including Ayro, were killed." The death of the Afghanistan-trained militant is likely to bolster the Western-backed Somali government's efforts to stem a rebellion that has gained ground in recent months. But it is sure to enrage Ayro's fellow fighters, who say they are waging a jihad to eject Ethiopian troops. Ayro was a key figure on the ground masterminding the Islamists' Iraq-style insurgency against allied Somali-Ethiopian troops. The violence had intensified in recent weeks, with scores of deaths in Mogadishu and a series of hit-and-run raids by the Islamists on towns outside the capital. "His elimination is very important," said M.J. Gohel, head of the Asia-Pacific Foundation, a security thinktank in London. "(But) the penetration by al Qaeda in Somalia is so great that he will be replaced. This is a setback (to the militants), and it will be felt, but it's not a mortal blow." Dusamareb residents said several other Shabaab fighters and civilians were killed in the pre-dawn air strike on the dusty and rocky town in a largely pastoralist area. Local broadcaster Shabelle said insurgent leaders had been meeting there and put the total death toll at 15. COUNTING SKULLS "Bits of human flesh are scattered on the ruins of the building," witness Farah Hussein told Reuters. "People are counting the skulls to know the exact figure." Another local said residents were woken at 2 a.m. (Wednesday 2300 GMT) by two huge blasts and counted four planes overhead. Shabelle said they were U.S. AC-130 gunships. Robow said Ayro had trained many men: "We know our enemy is happy today, but their work will continue." Western security services have long seen lawless Somalia as a haven for militants. Warlords overthrew dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, casting the country into chaos. Somalia-based al Qaeda operatives were suspected in two suicide attacks in neighboring Kenya that killed 224 people at the U.S. embassy in 1998 and 15 at an Israeli-owned beach hotel in 2002. Security and intelligence sources say Ayro, in hiding since surviving a U.S. air strike in January 2007, trained in Afghanistan in the late 1990s. He was one of six members or associates of al Qaeda thought by the United States to be in Somalia. "He would have been a very dangerous figure to contend with, not just in Somalia itself but for neighboring countries too," security analyst Gohel told Reuters. The al Shabaab is the armed wing of the Somalia Islamic Courts Council that took over most of southern Somalia for the second half of 2006, until the government and Ethiopian forces routed it in a two-week war. Under Ayro, the Shabaab adopted Iraq-style tactics, including assassinations and roadside bombs and claimed at least one suicide bombing -- unheard of in Somalia's moderate Sufi Islamic customs. Western security officials and diplomats say it has also been responsible for killing aid workers and journalists, the desecration of an Italian colonial-era cemetery in 2005 and scores of attacks during the insurgency. In rare taped comments released in November, Ayro ordered his fighters to attack a small African Union peacekeeping force based in Mogadishu. Aid workers say the violence has triggered Africa's worst humanitarian crisis, and a local rights group says clashes in the capital killed 6,500 residents last year alone.

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114321 posted by Torog (Info) May 02, 2008 06:27:26 ET In Reply to: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by hempity (Info) May 01, 2008 18:32:56 ET Howdy hempity, So what's yer major complaint about this ? That possibly some innocents died ? They could still be alive,if these evil men didn't surround themselves with innocent human shields,they do so,so that when innocents do die,folks like you will sympathize with and call for surrender to them so that more innocent folks won't die. I know that God will take care of the truly innocent..and I look forward to the day when God exacts His vengance upon these evil muslim-jihadists..in the meantime,an AC-130 will have to do. Perhaps you should condemn the other nations of the world,that ain't doing a dang thing to help-much less stop the evil men involved ? Have a good one ...

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forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #114336 posted by forged registration (Info) May 02, 2008 15:06:12 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Torog (Info) May 02, 2008 06:27:26 ET hey torog: i don't hear you complaining about the men in the white house and pentagon who surrounded themselves with innocent human shields...how about the men in the green zone in baghdad?

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Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114341 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 03, 2008 01:17:12 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by forged registration (Info) May 02, 2008 15:06:12 ET Wow, you beat me to it, Forged....that was roughly what I was thinking when I read Torog's comment.....I would have added the ones in the World Trade Center, and the Oklahoma Building.....Really, I don't think that's true much on either side though....most people involved weren't "trying" to shield themselves with anybody.....innocent civilians just happen to live, work, and travel in the same places as guilty war criminals in and out of uniforms of various sorts. It would be great just to call out all the guilty people, wouldn't it? I think it will happen, but until then, it's "kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out!" Right, Torog? NO, it's NOT RIGHT! There will be truth and right, however, and all those guilty people, who kill and enslave innocent people will be killed and enslaved....and then there will be justice in the Kingdom of God on Earth. Peace to those who make it. Elijah

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114345 posted by Torog (Info) May 03, 2008 06:10:22 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 03, 2008 01:17:12 ET Howdy Elijah, You state: "There will be truth and right, however, and all those guilty people, who kill and enslave innocent people will be killed and enslaved....and then there will be justice in the Kingdom of God on Earth." And what of the folks who make excuses for those who enslave and kill innocent people ? It is the muslims who are engaging in slavery,as we speak and it's the muslims that believe in human shields being martyred for glory before Allah..the GreenZone is surrounded by walls-not innocent people and the civilians there working,are not slaves. I also believe that many so-called innocents,know dang well who they're living near and whether or not they are a target for America's military and should have the common sense to move. Would you place yer family next door to a gang selling drugs and bullets flying all around ? Either you fight em or move,it's just that simple. Have a good one ...

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Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again)

forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #114350 posted by forged registration (Info) May 03, 2008 11:17:06 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Torog (Info) May 03, 2008 06:10:22 ET if it is that simple, why do americans continue to live in distressed neighbourhoods with gangs and bullets...do they deserve to get shot by a criminal or killed in a government air strike because their neighbourhood sucks? if the us gov't treated its own citizens the way it treats iraqis, the whole country would have to fight em or move...that's not so simple Hospital in Baghdad militia bastion damaged in US air strike 5 hours ago BAGHDAD (AFP) — A hospital in the Iraqi capital's Sadr City, a Shiite militia stronghold, was damaged in a US air strike on Saturday, wounding around 20 people, medics and witnesses said. A medic at the Al-Sadr hospital which was hit said women and children were among the 20 wounded in the strike, which a security official said took place at around 10:00 am (0700 GMT). The US military confirmed the air strike but said it targeted "known criminal elements". "I can confirm that we conducted a strike in Sadr City this morning. The targets were known criminal elements. Battle damage assessment is currently ongoing," a military spokesman told AFP. Witnesses said the target of the strike, in which US forces dropped several missiles, was a small house adjacent to Al-Sadr hospital and used as a rest area by Shiite pilgrims. The impact of the strike damaged more than a dozen ambulances belonging to the hospital, one of the three main medical facilities in the district, and also shattered windows of the building, an AFP reporter at the scene said.

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Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114387 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 05, 2008 14:42:57 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by forged registration (Info) May 03, 2008 11:17:06 ET Once again, thanks for the timely and well put response, Forged. Torog, what will it take for it to get through to your head and your heart that killing innocent people is wrong....even if they happen to live near guilty people? There are Sex offenders living on almost every block in America....does this mean that some other country has the right to bomb your neighborhood, and kill your children/grandchildren/relatives as collateral damage, because "they should have dang well known not to live near evil people."??? This is a crazy point of view...and I know you will come up with some BS statement trying to say that it's not the same thing....why is it not the same thing? Because you're Christians and they're Muslims? Are they not worthy of life because they are not children of God like you? Is that what you think? Please clarify to me why innocent Muslim babies who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time are not just as worthy of life as innocent Christian babies who are also in the wrong place at the wrong time? Why should we spare one and kill the other? What makes "Muslim" terrorists worse than American "Christian" terrorists? What makes someone who kills thousands of babies in America not as worthy of bombing and killing innocent people around them "collaterally" as someone in Iraq, or Iran, who has killed only 5 innocent babies? Why should the innocent foreign people around that killer of 5 die, while the innocent American people around the killer of thousands should not be subjected to the same, in your point of view?

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pisshead80 Registered on Mar-10-2001 More User Info Message #114399 posted by pisshead80 (Info) May 06, 2008 15:17:16 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 05, 2008 14:42:57 ET you're never going to get an answer from torog, he lusts for death and destruction. he supports evil.

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HydroHog Registered on Oct-30-2005 More User Info Message #114400 posted by HydroHog (Info) May 06, 2008 15:47:05 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by pisshead80 (Info) May 06, 2008 15:17:16 ET So if I have this straight.....except for Torog everyone thinks that the only way you can ever go after your enemy is if you make 100%sure that not one innocent life is taken in the process. I'm afraid that's not realistic. By that logic we should not have responded to Pearl Harbor unless we were 100% sure that every single Japenese person we killed had a hand in that particular attack. We won World War II by non stop bombing of cities filled with women and children. After the war was over we spent years in Germany going after Nazi Loyalist. Kinda like we're spending years in Iraq going after bathist and Al Queda Loyalist. Like anything else when you go after sharks you are bound to get one or two dolphins caught in the net. I believe Torog and I call that common sense. Most of the rest of you call it genocide. It's things like this that make me think America may be doomed as a nation. There are simply getting to be more and more pissheads, mohammed's, and forged's. And not enough Torog's. It's no wonder nutjob dictator's think we are ripe for the taking. And they won't worry about innocent blood spilled when the time comes. HOG

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114401 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 06, 2008 17:12:29 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 05, 2008 14:42:57 ET Yup, he will never answer those questions. He's to far above ya'll to answer your silly questions. I reckon I know the man well enough to answer them for him though. If I am wrong, he can correct me. "Torog, what will it take for it to get through to your head and your heart that killing innocent people is wrong." Why don't you ask islam that? Islam kills, and is ordered to wipe out every non-believer. We have to kill their innocent people because they force us to kill by living over there in their countrys treating their women badly. Its for freedom! We do it to protect the free world from the evil muslim mistreaters. On top of that, they don't like israel. Then theres 9/11, and 9/11 gives US the right to kill anyone and everyone we want to. "....even if they happen to live near guilty people?" Absolutly! If they live in a house, and bad guys move in next door, they should move out like the other millions of refugees did. If the US military is to fast, and bombs before they can pack up, well to bad so sad, its nothing but a little colateral damage. "This is a crazy point of view" Well I blame liberals for it. They are sexual deviants that want the total destruction of the the US. "why is it not the same thing? Because you're Christians and they're Muslims?" Well of course! Who would you rather have in charge, them or US? They would kill you for not converting. Christians don't kill for their god since the big reforming, so christians are the better choice. "Are they not worthy of life because they are not children of God like you?" Exactly! "Please clarify to me why innocent Muslim babies who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time are not just as worthy of life as innocent Christian babies who are also in the wrong place at the wrong time?" Well, muslim babies will grow up to be islamofacist, so they are not innocent to begin with. There for it is a-ok to kill them. "Why should we spare one and kill the other?" Well, christian babies are innocent, and muslim one are not. Plain and simple. "What makes "Muslim" terrorists worse than American "Christian" terrorists?" There are no christian terrorist. Just christian liberals, and they are to blame for, well, everything. "What makes someone who kills thousands of babies in America not as worthy of bombing and killing innocent people around them "collaterally" as someone in Iraq, or Iran, who has killed only 5 innocent babies? Why should the innocent foreign people around that killer of 5 die, while the innocent American people around the killer of thousands should not be subjected to the same, in your point of view?" Liberals did it! Its because they want the US to fail, and hate the US.

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114402 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 06, 2008 17:17:56 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by HydroHog (Info) May 06, 2008 15:47:05 ET No war = no innocent deaths from war. Ya can't help but kill innocent people in wars, but ya can keep from starting wars of aggression...... If you think the US can be taken, your mistaken. Then again, idiots like you have our military spread very thin, so maybe theres something to your fear of being overrun. Toker

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HydroHog Registered on Oct-30-2005 More User Info Message #114403 posted by HydroHog (Info) May 06, 2008 17:33:12 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 06, 2008 17:17:56 ET The U.S is slowly being 'taken' from the inside because of morons such as yourself who go out of their way to find fault with their own country no matter what. A good example of your sheer stupidity is when you called the D.C madam suicide a conspiracy right away. You had not seen one piece of evidence, you had not one fact in hand about that particular event and you quickly assumed the worst about your country, that she was killed by the government. In reality if 'they' were to kill her it would have made more sense to do so before her trial. But that would require rational thought on your part which I know you are not capable of. Since than it has come out that she threatened suicide for months and even left multiple suicide notes to her family. Is it still a conspiracy?? You see if you were a moron that realized you were a moron than that would be no big deal. But we have a growing population of morons who like you have deemed themselves geniuses. I just gave you a great example of your stupidity but I bet you'll still think yourself smart. HOG

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114404 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 06, 2008 18:37:48 ET In Reply to: Re: Toker is Bloviating (again) posted by HydroHog (Info) May 06, 2008 17:33:12 ET I am still smarter then you could ever be! It is you that has bought into the "story" that came out about her months of threatening to off herself. It is you that is buying the whole story your being fed by the news. Do you think, or just go with what your told? As for who did it, I never said. You opted to add in that it was the government for me. I guess if your out to kill someone to cover up what might get out, its best to make it look like you didn't do it. Of course you believe everything the media tells you, so of course you know that she offed herself. A stupid man would not question her death. They would just say, see, the news says so, so it must be true. "The U.S is slowly being 'taken' from the inside because of morons such as yourself who go out of their way to find fault with their own country no matter what." Ummm, our country does have faults. When they are found it is our duty to point them out. I know, I know, you would like to think we are a picture of perfection, but the fact remains that we have faults as a country, and unless we point them out they will continue to be faults and damage our country. The only way pointing out faults could be considered bad is if you aprove of the faults. Such as cover ups and such. Or hiding the fact that the repo party has a serious problem with child molesters in its ranks. Is that what a smart man wants for his country? Do you want the faults covered up? You may not be as smart as you want to think you are if you think we should cover up our faults. But, your right, this country is being taken back from idiots like you. Soon, very soon, your repo party will be powerless to stop us from undoing all the BS your party has done to this country. Toker

Re: Toker is Bloviating (again)

HydroHog Registered on Oct-30-2005 More User Info Message #114405 posted by HydroHog (Info) May 06, 2008 19:39:43 ET In Reply to: Re: Toker is Bloviating (again) posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 06, 2008 18:37:48 ET Yawn. No point in trying to have a reasonable conversation with an unreasonable dumbass. According to you those who don't believe your unproven conspiracy theory are media fools, whatever dude. While you think you are making good points all you are doing is proving it's easier to go farther and farther off the deep end of insanity than to admit you are wrong. HOG

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114406 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 06, 2008 22:15:14 ET In Reply to: Re: Toker is Bloviating (again) posted by HydroHog (Info) May 06, 2008 19:39:43 ET "While you think you are making good points all you are doing is proving it's easier to go farther and farther off the deep end of insanity than to admit you are wrong." Ohhh, ain't you the pot calling the kettle black! Say, you seem kind of like you don't like me. You also make it seem like it is my always being right that is the reason you don't like me. You hang on to that a lot as if it really bothers you. You know Piggy, there was one time I thought I was wrong, but as it turns out I was just mistaken. Toker

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Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114408 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 07, 2008 00:04:04 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by HydroHog (Info) May 06, 2008 15:47:05 ET "So if I have this straight.....except for Torog everyone thinks that the only way you can ever go after your enemy is if you make 100%sure that not one innocent life is taken in the process. I'm afraid that's not realistic. By that logic we should not have responded to Pearl Harbor unless we were 100% sure that every single Japenese person we killed had a hand in that particular attack." There were American's who had a hand in that particular attack....maybe we should have focused on them first. They made certain that Pearl Harbor would happen without a defense....they even moved all the good boats out and away before the attack so that we would only lose our old and not as tip-top boats and some soldiers. In addition to that, it was international bankers who instigated that, as well as all of the other major wars since at least the time of the War of 1812. I think it would make perfect sense to go after our collective warmonger enemies without killing one innocent person....all we would need is the rest of the population of the world and some swords. We make a simple declaration that there is to be a World Jubilee day, and all wealth gained from usury is to be returned to the population at large. We take away the Supreme Court rulings and UN laws that make Corporations legally have the same rights as people, and confiscate all wealth of banks. Then, everyone takes a nice, piece of land not owned by an individual person, and grows their own food on it and lives rent and income tax free. If there is aggression against any nation in the form of a military invasion, every able citizen who is not afraid will go to meet the invaders on the battlefield with all weaponry available. In such a world, without the kind of kingdoms we have today, there would be no such thing as the kinds of war we see today. "We won World War II by non stop bombing of cities filled with women and children. After the war was over we spent years in Germany going after Nazi Loyalist. Kinda like we're spending years in Iraq going after bathist and Al Queda Loyalist." We won WWII because we had more resources available for quick use than any other nation. We didn't HAVE to bomb women and children. "Like anything else when you go after sharks you are bound to get one or two dolphins caught in the net." Not if you use a fishing line instead. "I believe Torog and I call that common sense. Most of the rest of you call it genocide." Yes, it's common sense to rape the ocean of its resources and also every nation, and to leave a trail of death and destruction in our wake for profit. NOT! We can get by just fine without huge commercial fishing nets and bombing and shooting civilians....with a lot more common sense, according to civilians in war zones....why don't we subject you to living in a war zone for a while and see if you change your mind about what is common sense and what isn't. "It's things like this that make me think America may be doomed as a nation. There are simply getting to be more and more pissheads, mohammed's, and forged's. And not enough Torog's. It's no wonder nutjob dictator's think we are ripe for the taking. And they won't worry about innocent blood spilled when the time comes. HOG" No, they don't worry about innocent blood, which is why nutjob dictator's usually end up assassinated, and without the need to kill innocent people. This is also why nations who are indiscriminate about taking war to civilians also end up being destroyed. You may not realize it, but America and every other nation is already doomed because of their evil practices and oppression. I have discussed this many times with Torog, whom you want there to be more of, and that is his point of view as well, that all nations will be destroyed....thus, I can understand your point of view much better than his....as he thinks that America is evil, yet still supports its policies....you, it seems, do not share this opinion, thus, your support of American policies, I understand in a certain context. I do think it is wrong, though.....murdering innocent people cannot be a right thing to do.....I know this because I put myself in the shoes of some innocent baby in a foreign land....I wouldn't want to suffer for a week with my body torn to shreds by shrapnel, before dying a painful and exhausting death....and for what? Because some asshole thinks that he has the right to throw around dangerous things near me in order to gain more power over what he considers to be evil...now THAT is evil....."But Saddam was throwing pencils across the room at Bobby! It was common sense for me to throw pencils across the room at Saddam, teacher! I didn't mean to poke Suzie's eye out, honest!" "Too bad son, you're still being expelled....both you and Saddam.....you don't throw pencils across a crowded classroom. It would have just been a little detention if you would have gone across the room and punched Saddam in the face....and only he would have been expelled!" Peace to those who make it.

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114410 posted by Torog (Info) May 07, 2008 05:58:25 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 05, 2008 14:42:57 ET Howdy Elijah, I know that killing innocent folks is wrong,we don't intentionally target innocent people,the muslim-jihadists do and folks like you,blame the US for what the jihadists do to innocent people. This ain't about whether or not the people involved are Christians or muslims,this is about taking out the jihadists. The jihadists have folks like you,wrapped around their little finger-all they have to do -is to embed themselves with innocent civilians knowing that when they git killed,folks like you will say we must stop the attacks because innocents are being killed. All that would accomplish,if we stopped our attacks,is to allow the enemy to grow stronger and look for ways to kill more innocent folks-in order to ratchet up anti-war hysteria against the US and the Coalition. You ask: " Are they not worthy of life because they are not children of God like you?" I believe that they are God's children too. "Is that what you think? Please clarify to me why innocent Muslim babies who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time are not just as worthy of life as innocent Christian babies who are also in the wrong place at the wrong time?" They are just as worthy of having life..it just so happens,that they're in a war-zone. "Why should we spare one and kill the other? What makes "Muslim" terrorists worse than American "Christian" terrorists?" So are you claiming that there are American Christian terrorist groups ? I'd like to know why we ain't hearing about their daily attacks against others,in the news..I haven't heard of any abortion clinic bombings in years,did I miss it ? As for muslims terrorists,the difference is that they are engaging in daily attacks against others,at any given moment - at any given locale. "What makes someone who kills thousands of babies in America not as worthy of bombing and killing innocent people around them "collaterally" as someone in Iraq, or Iran, who has killed only 5 innocent babies?" It seems that yer saying,that here in America,the cops should bomb neighborhoods instead of arresting the criminals ? America ain't the war-zone,arresting the jihadist,by either US forces or local yokels,is not doable,because the 'innocents' have a tendency to harbor the jihadists and make arrests impossible. "Why should the innocent foreign people around that killer of 5 die, while the innocent American people around the killer of thousands should not be subjected to the same, in your point of view? " It ain't the same,as I said,America ain't a war-zone,where the authorities have no control and no cooperation,it's 2 different things. Do you really want to presume that the jihadist had only 5 kills under his belt ? It seems that yer willing to lap up what ever the enemy dishes out,as long as it's an attack against America or makes America look bad..still no holding the jihadists accountable for their actions,I see. Have a good one ...

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114411 posted by Torog (Info) May 07, 2008 06:16:18 ET In Reply to: HydroHog posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 07, 2008 00:04:04 ET Howdy Elijah, You claim: "as he thinks that America is evil," Nope..I don't think America is evil,I think that America has alot of evil people that God and Jesus,will have to vanquish eventually..I may be among that number..I simply don't know for sure..and I ain't gonna presume anything. The policy that I support,is Liberty and Justice for all..not just for those who already have such. It seems that what yer advocating,is targetted assasination of leaders,which the world has been opposed to,for some time now. Israel is using targetted assasination against their enemies,in order to reduce the loss of innocent life,but they ain't doing it face to face,because it's nearly impossible to infiltrate arab cliques,we face the same problem as well and are sorely lacking in HUMINT capability and presence. It seems that at every turn,yer doin yer best to stack the odds against the US being able to terminate the bad guys..why do you wish to stack the odds so heavily in favor of the real, true evil enemies ? Have a good one ...

Superman!!!! Woooot!~

Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114419 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 07, 2008 11:37:41 ET In Reply to: Re: HydroHog posted by Torog (Info) May 07, 2008 06:16:18 ET "The policy that I support,is Liberty and Justice for all.." You old fool, you know good and well you support a religious war to rid the world of your religious enemy islam. You are a holy warrior just like the jihadist are out to control and destroy. Your desire to hold them down is evident when you claim to not want them to be able to grow strong. Hell son, your so far gone into this lust to kill that your willing to piss your god off to fight for him. You have not a clue what freedom actually means, nor do you know of justice. Nor do you want these things for all as you so proudly claim. You do not want freedom for iran, syria, iraq, or any other of the countrys you wish to hold down with wars of aggression. The only freedom you care about is your freedom to kill your religious enemy. You have got to be fucking down right foolish to think attacking iran, or syria, or any nation is some how setting them free. They do not want you to attack them. Not just the government, but the people. Like most religious freaks, you have to stick your nose in other peoples biz no matter what. I think its just a cover for your real desire, a crusade. It is islam you fight torog, think about that a bit. Islam is the enemy. You won't be happy, as you have said in the past, until they change their book to suit you. You won't stop attacking them until you force them to do something you know good and well they will never do. The dead babies on all sides are who's fault torog? They are the wars fault. Its why its better to make peace then war. No one dies from war if there is peace. There doesn't have to be war with iran. It doesn't have to happen. You don't support peace, freedom, or justice if you support attacking iran. Stop the abuse of women in texass and then maybe you can point at others and their treatment of women. "I think that America has alot of evil people" Ohhh, so you hate the people of America??? Let me guess, this lot of people that you think are evil you have judged for whom? Your god? Have you used your religion to make them evil? Hmmmm, how long till evil becomes a crime torog? How long until your religion takes over and takes all those you hate in the US off to jail, or off with their heads? Your religion has not reformed, it just hides in the shadows its wicked ways. "I simply don't know for sure." And that my friend, means you need to try a little harder. You have been shown that you do things that are sins, yet you continue to do these things. That says to me that your not even trying to do as your god comands you to do. Instead of hoping your ok, follow your gods words and what he comands you do. Show mercy, forgive, seek peace, if someone forces you to walk a mile with them, willingly walk another with them. Return aggressive behavour with a passive non-violent love. That is the message in your book. That is what you are supposed to do. If your god is testing you as you have claimed he is in the past, then you have failed his test. You went with violence instead of love. You took faith in man instead of god. You gave up your place in heaven to serve a different part of your religion. A darker side. Unknowningly working for the other side. Of the eternal struggle in your religon, what side do you think war benifits more? "It seems that at every turn,yer doin yer best to stack the odds against the US being able to terminate the bad guys..why do you wish to stack the odds so heavily in favor of the real, true evil enemies ?" It would seem those "true evil enemies" are right here in the US, and it would seem that theres lots of them. Toker

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Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114430 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 08, 2008 06:00:20 ET In Reply to: Re: U.S. is bombing Somalia (again) posted by Torog (Info) May 07, 2008 05:58:25 ET "Howdy Elijah, I know that killing innocent folks is wrong,we don't intentionally target innocent people,the muslim-jihadists do "and folks like you,blame the US for what the jihadists do to innocent people." We don't target innocent people? What kind of world are you living in, Torog? What do you think we did when we invaded Iraq? Do you think all those bombs were targetted away from innocent people? They were falling in neighborhoods too....don't fool yourself. "This ain't about whether or not the people involved are Christians or muslims,this is about taking out the jihadists. The jihadists have folks like you,wrapped around their little finger-all they have to do -is to embed themselves with innocent civilians knowing that when they git killed,folks like you will say we must stop the attacks because innocents are being killed." What I'm asking is what makes it easier and/or better to send a bomb to a house to kill a "jihadist" rather than sending some soldiers there? Why should we knowingly send bombs where innocent people are, and knowingly kill them along with this "jihadist?" Why can't we just send in some troops after him, and spare all the innocent people we can? A Jihadist is just a soldier fighting occupiers of their homeland....crush the resistance, at any cost! Is that what it is, Torog? If your country was invaded, do you think God would excuse the invaders for killing your family with a bomb because a known "jihadist" (aka, YOU) was "hiding" and "sneaking around," "covering himself" with civillians? Do you think God would excuse these wicked people for killing your family, because they were "hiding" a man (their father/husband/brother)protecting them from being raped and plundered? "All that would accomplish,if we stopped our attacks,is to allow the enemy to grow stronger and look for ways to kill more innocent folks-in order to ratchet up anti-war hysteria against the US and the Coalition." I've seen the stats, Torog, we've killed more innocent people than them....and we were the ones who invaded and occupied their country for no good reason....they have a right to fight people who kill and rape them, and destroy their land.....just as you would if your nation were invaded....and if they kill innocent people to get to you, then they are most certainly incredibly evil. "You ask: " Are they not worthy of life because they are not children of God like you?" I believe that they are God's children too." Good, I was worried for a second....I guess you don't buy into that part of the dogma. ""Is that what you think? Please clarify to me why innocent Muslim babies who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time are not just as worthy of life as innocent Christian babies who are also in the wrong place at the wrong time?" They are just as worthy of having life..it just so happens,that they're in a war-zone." OK, so then, if it just so happens that your grandchildren are in a war zone, will you think that the people who invaded their country and killed them with a bomb were acting righteously? ""Why should we spare one and kill the other? What makes "Muslim" terrorists worse than American "Christian" terrorists?" So are you claiming that there are American Christian terrorist groups ? I'd like to know why we ain't hearing about their daily attacks against others,in the news..I haven't heard of any abortion clinic bombings in years,did I miss it ? As for muslims terrorists,the difference is that they are engaging in daily attacks against others,at any given moment - at any given locale." I'm talking about ABORTION DOCTORS, Torog. They kill millions of babies in America, and some of them claim to be Christian....thus, they are Christian terrorists.....and I bet they kill and terrify a lot more people than the "Jihadists." Why aren't you advocating bombing their homes, since they are sneakily hiding amongst innocent civillians. They need to be rooted out....right? Before they kill more innocent people.....why not bomb their houses, and target them with missiles while they drive on the highway? Their children won't be considered as any less than God's children, yet they would be slaughtered....the good with the evil, because they would be in a war zone, right? Why not have that? I'll tell you why....because it makes a lot more sense to just execute them one by one, personally, without killing any innocent people. ""What makes someone who kills thousands of babies in America not as worthy of bombing and killing innocent people around them "collaterally" as someone in Iraq, or Iran, who has killed only 5 innocent babies?" It seems that yer saying,that here in America,the cops should bomb neighborhoods instead of arresting the criminals ? America ain't the war-zone,arresting the jihadist,by either US forces or local yokels,is not doable,because the 'innocents' have a tendency to harbor the jihadists and make arrests impossible." My response is the same as my comment above this one....consider bombing the Abortion doctor..."innocents" are harboring him, so he can't be arrested....we should bomb his house, right? ""Why should the innocent foreign people around that killer of 5 die, while the innocent American people around the killer of thousands should not be subjected to the same, in your point of view? " It ain't the same,as I said,America ain't a war-zone,where the authorities have no control and no cooperation,it's 2 different things. Do you really want to presume that the jihadist had only 5 kills under his belt ? It seems that yer willing to lap up what ever the enemy dishes out,as long as it's an attack against America or makes America look bad..still no holding the jihadists accountable for their actions,I see. Have a good one ..."" Who made those places with "Jihadists" the way you claim....with no authority? THE USA!!! They went in, killed many innocent people, destroyed the infrastructure of countries that had nothing to do with our "security," and they raped hundreds/thousands of women on the way. They busted in everyone's doors and terrorized their families, and they expect that there will be no fighting against them? I don't excuse anyone's actions who is wreckless, and kills innocent people. The thing is, Torog, NOBODY HERE IS ARGUING WITH YOU THAT WHAT THE MUSLIMS WHO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE DOING IS WRONG.....WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ARGUE THAT WE ARE, AND FURTHERMORE, WHY DO YOU DENY THAT THE CHRISTIANS/JEWS/WESTERNERS WHO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE DOING WRONG AS WELL?

Re: Superman!!!! Woooot!~

Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114431 posted by Torog (Info) May 08, 2008 06:13:29 ET In Reply to: Superman!!!! Woooot!~ posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 07, 2008 11:37:41 ET Howdy LT, You describe:"you know good and well you support a religious war to rid the world of your religious enemy islam." I never thought of Islam being my religious enemy,until I went to Saudia and discovered that they had already made enemies with me,simply because I am a Christian. Ever since the '79 Iran hostage event,it became obvious to me,that Islam was gonna be America's enemy,not just Israel's foe ..however-I was more focused on the guilty parties at the time and not so much that Islam is pure poison and corrupts all that it touches and serves as a perfect venue for anyone with a chip on their shoulder towards their fellow man. In all of the years I went to church,I was never once told that Islam was my religious enemy or that I must fight such. After the 9/11/01 WTC attack,every American should have realized that Islam is enemies with everyone-no matter whether ya believe in God and Jesus or not,if ya ain't muslim-then you are their enemy-period. You are considered one of the worst kind of infidels,you knew God-then turned yer back on Him and His Son,Jesus Christ..for infidels such as you,they will not show any mercy or compassion..you are to be treated as a rabid dog. And you want to make peace with these kind of people ? In response to this,you ask: "I think that America has alot of evil people" 'Ohhh, so you hate the people of America??? ' Stop twisting my words-I don't hate the people of America,just because I say that there are evil people here..remember,I'm supposed to love the sinner and hate the sin. You have alot of gall-to be preachin at me..lol. Now tell me why it is I must do these things ya describe and not you ? You expect me to rise to a whole different level of morality-yet you don't intend on ever doing the same because you shucked yer responsibility by turning away from God..what kind of a person,does that make you ? Why would I,or any other Christian,take yer advice on anything ? It simply would not make sense to take advice from an atheist,about Christian matters. Being an atheist,means that ya can set the 'bar' of morality,as high or as low-as ya want,huh ? Have a good one ...

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Re: HydroHog

Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114432 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 08, 2008 06:16:39 ET In Reply to: Re: HydroHog posted by Torog (Info) May 07, 2008 06:16:18 ET " Howdy Elijah, You claim: "as he thinks that America is evil," Nope..I don't think America is evil,I think that America has alot of evil people that God and Jesus,will have to vanquish eventually..I may be among that number..I simply don't know for sure..and I ain't gonna presume anything." So are you telling me that you don't believe that when Jesus comes back, he will consider the political systems of all countries, including America, to be evil? I was sure that you did believe that, as the Bible says that all nations will be judged as evil, and destroyed to make way for the Kingom of God. "The policy that I support,is Liberty and Justice for all..not just for those who already have such." Liberty and Justice are not being raped, oppressed, and killed by foreign occupying soldiers. You need to seriously rehash your understanding of what Liberty and Justice are if you think that's what we're bringing to Iraq.... "It seems that what yer advocating,is targetted assasination of leaders,which the world has been opposed to,for some time now." What I'm advocating is targetted assassination of known murderers who are on the run from authorities....if those murderers are leaders of countries, then it is up to the people of their own country to rise against them before we can help....you had that chance to help in an uprising in Iraq, and failed miserably to live up to your responsibilities (USA) because you did not want a Kurdish and a Shiite state in Iraq. And what happened as a result? The resistance was crushed, and you later went into Iraq, and hung Saddam because of the things you allowed and even egged him on to by instigating and pledging support to the rebels, and you provided the weapons for him to crush that resistance. "Israel is using targetted assasination against their enemies,in order to reduce the loss of innocent life,but they ain't doing it face to face,because it's nearly impossible to infiltrate arab cliques,we face the same problem as well and are sorely lacking in HUMINT capability and presence." We have no right to have free reign in another country that hasn't done anything to us. It is up to whichever country evil people are in to take care of their own evil. If they don't, their country will attack another one, and it is necessary to crush their attacking military on the battlefield.....after we do that, we may also go in and kill the leaders, but we have no right to stay after that. "It seems that at every turn,yer doin yer best to stack the odds against the US being able to terminate the bad guys..why do you wish to stack the odds so heavily in favor of the real, true evil enemies ? Have a good one ... " As LT said, the leaders of the US are one of the most true evil enemies. How can you have "bad guys" killed by even worse bad guys, and think the world will be safe?

Do you think Jihadists have killed 30million plus?

Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114433 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 08, 2008 06:22:51 ET In Reply to: Re: HydroHog posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 08, 2008 06:16:39 ET I DON'T THINK SO! WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY TOROG? PEOPLE KILLING HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS IN PRIVATE SMALL WARS AND CONFLICTS WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES? OR IS IT LEADERS IN OUR OWN COUNTRY WHO ALLOW DOMESTIC TERRORISTS TO MURDER OVER 30 MILLION INNOCENT BABIES, AND THOSE WHO MURDER THOSE BABIES?

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Re: Do you think Jihadists have killed 30million plus?

Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114434 posted by Torog (Info) May 08, 2008 06:44:18 ET In Reply to: Do you think Jihadists have killed 30million plus? posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 08, 2008 06:22:51 ET Howdy Elijah, I don't know how many people have been killed by the jihadists,how come there's no body count for that ? Is it because liberal news outlets and pollsters,are all invested in defeat ? As for abortion,that's a very sad statistic and I and millions of my fellow Americans,did not vote for Roe v Wade and have been trying to change such for some time now,but there are many Americans who continue to vote for such in local and national elections,by voting in those leaders who will vote for abortion. Will you also hold accountable,everyone who believes in abortion..it's not just the leaders..? You seem to have forgotten,that America was attacked on 9/11/01..America responds to attacks first-then goes back to dabbling in social engineering later..what yer calling for,is a inversion of such and to look the other way,while folks are languishing in brutal oppression and hunger. BTW,you keep claiming that our soldiers have raped hundreds of thousands of women,perhaps even millions..do ya have an article that states those allegations ? How come we don't have all of our soldiers on trial ? At the rate of rape ya describe,I don't think that our soldiers would even have time to fall in line in the morning for their daily orders and POD. It's bad enough,that you call all of our soldiers rapists,but murderers too,when they are simply defending America and the Free World. Have a good one ...

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Re: Superman!!!! Woooot!~

Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114435 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 08, 2008 10:47:32 ET In Reply to: Re: Superman!!!! Woooot!~ posted by Torog (Info) May 08, 2008 06:13:29 ET "I never thought of Islam being my religious enemy,until I went to Saudia and discovered that they had already made enemies with me,simply because I am a Christian." So you do think of them as "religious" enemys and you fight them in a religious war. Hmmm, sounds just like a jihadist. How do you plan to defeat a religion torog? "Ever since the '79 Iran hostage event,it became obvious to me,that Islam was gonna be America's enemy,not just Israel's foe" Hate and grudges don't go good with your gods advise to forgive. Its been a long time torog, let it go. "however-I was more focused on the guilty parties at the time and not so much that Islam is pure poison and corrupts all that it touches and serves as a perfect venue for anyone with a chip on their shoulder towards their fellow man." You sound to me more like the one with a chip that harbors hate for their fellow man. "Islam is pure poison and corrupts all that it touches" How will you defeat it? What does it look like to win over islam? What will you force them to do? When you force their religion to change to suit you, will you then call it giving them freedom? You seek to make war on the world to change, or destroy a religion. Yet, for some reason you think that is spreading freedom. Freedom of religion is not just for some torog, its for all. After reading what jihad actually means, I take back that you are like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad "In all of the years I went to church,I was never once told that Islam was my religious enemy or that I must fight such." Think about that some torog. "After the 9/11/01 WTC attack,every American should have realized that Islam is enemies with everyone-no matter whether ya believe in God and Jesus or not,if ya ain't muslim-then you are their enemy-period." Hateful grudges. Islam did not attack US torog, some crazy religious extreemist like you did. You openly attack their religion on a world wide scale and call it giving them freedom. How fucking stupid do ya gotta be to believe that? "You are considered one of the worst kind of infidels,you knew God-then turned yer back on Him and His Son,Jesus Christ..for infidels such as you,they will not show any mercy or compassion..you are to be treated as a rabid dog." Your BS doesn't scare me torog. Your so full of shit your eyes are brown. You turn your back on your god while claiming to serve him. Seems like christians are worse to me, as I have never been treated as rabid by islam, but christians have done it a lot. Have you ever proclaimed to be an athiest to a room full of christians? Not treated poorly? LOL! "And you want to make peace with these kind of people ?" Yes! If I can do it with jews and all the BS they spew in their religion about me and you, and I can do it with you, then I see no reason not to be able to have peace with islam. We have peace with SA, do we not? We are at peace with a lot of islamic countrys. Muslims have fought and died in our military defending freedom, or w/e. Muslims have done great good for the world on many fronts. Muslims have, and will continue to be, part of this world whether you like it or not. You keep screaming how much you don't want to find peace, work for peace, or even think that its possible. You won't look for it. Guess what torog? If you won't look for peace, you will never find it. "Stop twisting my words-I don't hate the people of America,just because I say that there are evil people here" Oh I think its clear that there are people in our country that you hate. There was no twisting needed. "remember,I'm supposed to love the sinner and hate the sin." But you don't follow your gods rules anyway. I mean, do you apply that to muslims? NO, you don't. "You have alot of gall-to be preachin at me..lol." Whys that torog? Your religion is clear for all to see. It is very clear that you don't follow it. Do you not like the things I point out to you about your faith and your religion? Seems to me that you would welcome any attempts at making you a better christian. I guess not. Better to treat any athiest like a rabid dog, and ignore what he says even if hes right. Hell, even more so if hes right as who does he think he is to be right about your religion? "Now tell me why it is I must do these things ya describe and not you ?" Because I am not a christian like you. Your god demands it from you. I have no god demanding these things from me. You have a set of rules your god has given you. You do not follow those rules. If a good man follows the rules of god, whats that make you for not following them? "You expect me to rise to a whole different level of morality-yet you don't intend on ever doing the same because you shucked yer responsibility by turning away from God." I do expect you to be as moral as you claim to be. I expect you to follow the laws of your god if your going to wield your god as a sword across the world. The reason you can not follow your gods words is because what you want goes directly agaisnt your gods words. "what kind of a person,does that make you ?" I don't know, a worse one then you? Your one to speak of responsability to god. LOL! You ignore him at every turn. "Why would I,or any other Christian,take yer advice on anything ?" Why would you not take my advise if it is good advise? Oh, thats right, you wish to treat me like a dog because I am not of your faith. I am a lower class then you christians are. Not to be listened to. "It simply would not make sense to take advice from an atheist,about Christian matters." Your god works in strange ways torog. Personally, I think I have hit a few nails on the head, and there is nothing you can do or say other then to hide from it by claiming I am not worthy of disscusing your religion with. Your to good for that. Its but a tail tucking though, as you run to hide yelping along the way.... "Being an atheist,means that ya can set the 'bar' of morality,as high or as low-as ya want,huh ?" Nope, if its wrong its wrong. Plain and simple. Say torog, why is it a crime in your eyes to have more then one wife? Toker

Re: Superman!!!! Woooot!~

pisshead80 Registered on Mar-10-2001 More User Info Message #114436 posted by pisshead80 (Info) May 08, 2008 14:06:58 ET In Reply to: Re: Superman!!!! Woooot!~ posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 08, 2008 10:47:32 ET wow, torog just got his ass handed to him on a platinum plate.

Re: Do you think Jihadists have killed 30million plus?

Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114437 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 08, 2008 14:48:56 ET In Reply to: Re: Do you think Jihadists have killed 30million plus? posted by Torog (Info) May 08, 2008 06:44:18 ET "Howdy Elijah, I don't know how many people have been killed by the jihadists,how come there's no body count for that ? Is it because liberal news outlets and pollsters,are all invested in defeat ?" There is no way they have killed more than tens of thousands during this present "war on terror"....the numbers of deaths just don't support anything higher than that. That is a number less than the United States Abortion Doctors kill every month. Why do you not support going after these people, and the legislatures, judges, and executive officers who allow their evil practices? They kill far more people, who are all certainly innocent (babies), and they do it in your own back yard. Why are you focusing on such a smaller and more distant enemy, Torog? The enemy is HERE, NOW! And we need to do something about it, or they will continue killing thousands of babies EVERY SINGLE DAY! How can you be so ABOUT a peaceful, slow, diplomatic, and losing solution for evil people who kill thousands of babies every single day in your own country, state, and city, and yet be so ABOUT murdering 10 or 20 innocent people in another country around the world every time you drop a bomb to get to one person who has killed 5 or 10 people there to try to stop an invasion and occupation that has killed hundreds of thousands? The only answer I can think of is that you have a desire to kill Muslims. What else could it be considering this huge discrepancy in your willingness to act? ""As for abortion,that's a very sad statistic and I and millions of my fellow Americans,did not vote for Roe v Wade and have been trying to change such for some time now,but there are many Americans who continue to vote for such in local and national elections,by voting in those leaders who will vote for abortion. Will you also hold accountable,everyone who believes in abortion..it's not just the leaders..?" I ask you the same question about "Jihadists" in foreign lands. Millions of their fellow countrymen and women support them....also, millions do not support them. Will you hold accountable everyone who believes in Jihad against imperial western powers, not just the leaders? In answer to your question, I do hold all people who support abortion accountable, and I think they will be judged for it....but until then, we can really only go after those who visibly support abortion, such as abortion doctors, abortion clinics, pro-choice groups, and Politicians who allow these things. I think if enough of them were made an example of, things would be different....and thousands of babies would not have to be murdered and sacrificed to Molech and Baal every day here. "You seem to have forgotten,that America was attacked on 9/11/01..America responds to attacks first-then goes back to dabbling in social engineering later..what yer calling for,is a inversion of such and to look the other way,while folks are languishing in brutal oppression and hunger." America was attacked on 911 by Mossad....there was a huge media coverup and propaganda campaign to make people believe that it was Islam that was responsible....that was Mossad's intention....to start WWIII. Show me a boarding photo of some of the people responsible for 911....go ahead, I'll bet nobody you know of can find one....how about a photo of the plane that hit the Pentagon? You won't find it, there was no plane that hit the Pentagon. Or maybe some black boxes from planes that hit the WTC, to prove it was the planes they say it was???? Nope, evidence nonexistent. There is plenty of evidence, however, that it was Mossad, and it is available to anyone who will search it out. ""BTW,you keep claiming that our soldiers have raped hundreds of thousands of women,perhaps even millions..do ya have an article that states those allegations ? How come we don't have all of our soldiers on trial ? At the rate of rape ya describe,I don't think that our soldiers would even have time to fall in line in the morning for their daily orders and POD. It's bad enough,that you call all of our soldiers rapists,but murderers too,when they are simply defending America and the Free World. Have a good one ..." Whoa, Whoa, WHOA, Torog! When did I ever say our soldiers raped hundreds of thousands or millions of women? I said that they have raped hundreds/thousands...that means hundreds OR thousands, NOT hundreds OF thousands! BTW, first of all, how is America or the rest of the world free? Second of all, how are our soldiers defending this "freedom" you speak of by killing people in countries that could not threaten us or anyone else?

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