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Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
Torog
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Message #114347 posted by Torog (Info) May 03, 2008 07:32:02 ET


Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood

By Daniel Pipes
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com |

As Barack Obama's candidacy comes under increasing scrutiny, his account of his religious upbringing deserves careful attention for what it tells us about the candidate's integrity.

Obama asserted in December, "I've always been a Christian," and he has adamantly denied ever having been a Muslim. "The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country [Kenya]. But I've never practiced Islam." In February, he claimed: "I have never been a Muslim. … other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child [Indonesia, 1967-71] I have very little connection to the Islamic religion."

"Always" and "never" leave little room for equivocation. But many biographical facts, culled mainly from the American press, suggest that, when growing up, the Democratic candidate for president both saw himself and was seen as a Muslim.

Obama's Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936-1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Only Muslim children are named "Hussein".

Obama's Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of the New York Times: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." An Indonesian publication, the Banjarmasin Post reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that "All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims."

The Catholic school: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that "documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim" while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school." A blogger who goes by "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" found that "Barack Hussein Obama was registered under the name 'Barry Soetoro' serial number 203 and entered the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968 and sat in class 1B. … Barry's religion was listed as Islam."

The public school: Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he "was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended." Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that "Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim." Although Siddiqui cautions that "With the school records missing, eaten by bugs, one has to rely on people's shifting memories," he cites only one retired teacher, Tine Hahiyari, retracting her earlier certainty about Obama's being registered as a Muslim.

Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent."

Mosque attendance: Obama's half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events." Watson learned from childhood friends that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." Barker found that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong" (a garment associated with Muslims).

Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice [Islam]," implicitly acknowledging a Muslim identity. Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.


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what does religion have to do with anything?
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Message #114352 posted by forged registration (Info) May 03, 2008 13:16:16 ET
In Reply to: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by Torog (Info) May 03, 2008 07:32:02 ET


when george bush's critics dug into his past to examine his spotty reserve record, the right wing noise machine went into indignant overdrive...now it's digging through obama's second hand elementary school experience...shameful hypocrites!

canadian politicians are not put under the microscope to see how they prayed when they were children...i can't remember their personal religious beliefs even being mentioned...but in the usa, anyone can grow up to be president, as long as they grow up christian


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Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
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Message #114355 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 03, 2008 18:12:08 ET
In Reply to: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by Torog (Info) May 03, 2008 07:32:02 ET

I asked you to tell me what I said bad about your girl, can you tell me what it was I said about her that was bad?

Toker




Re: what does religion have to do with anything?
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Message #114358 posted by LeftyToker (Info) May 04, 2008 05:25:14 ET
In Reply to: what does religion have to do with anything? posted by forged registration (Info) May 03, 2008 13:16:16 ET

":when george bush's critics dug into his past to examine his spotty reserve record, the right wing noise machine went into indignant overdrive...now it's digging through obama's second hand elementary school experience...shameful hypocrites!"

..Right on FR.. after reading the article, I thought of the same thing.
.
...This is the second Daniel Pipes article posted here.
..Daniel Pipes is a purveyor of soft deciet, and convoluted logic.
.His articles are full of obscured fundamentalist hate..
,,His inten tions and motives are questionable...suspect/?/
..and..speaking of intentions and motives,..The fact that our old friend Torog considered the articles to be postworthy, reveals alot about why Torog thinks like he does))??((
..consider the closing paragrap h of Pipes article:

"Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left
the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor
less qualified to become president of the United States. But
if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that
fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental
misrepresentation about himself that has profound
implications about his character and his suitability as
president."

..Crazy
...delusional
....paranoid
.....silly
......absurd garbage bullshit!
.......let's read it again:

"Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left
the faith to become a Christian make him nei ther more nor
less qualified to become president of the United States. But
if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that
fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental
misrepresen tation about himself that has profound
implications about his character and his suitability as
president."

....creepy nonsense!

..Oh well,, on the bright side,,it gives us an insight that helps us to achieve a basic underst anding of why Torog thinks the way he seems to think/?/..
...we all have our own certain sources of influence,,and the source tends to reveal things/?/

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Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
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Message #114359 posted by Torog (Info) May 04, 2008 06:16:28 ET
In Reply to: Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 03, 2008 18:12:08 ET


Howdy LT,

You ask:

" I asked you to tell me what I said bad about your girl, can you tell me what it was I said about her that was bad? "

I can't recall exactly what it was,so I may be wrong and I apologize - if I am. I do know that you poked away at my feelings of the situation,trying to do yer best to make me feel bad about not protecting her and that the way you approached the situation was low-class and disrespectful of the situation.

Have a good one ...




Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
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Message #114361 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 04, 2008 07:05:03 ET
In Reply to: Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by Torog (Info) May 04, 2008 06:16:28 ET

I never said anything bad about your girl, or your "son". I said some shit about you, and thats all. It would seem you can dish it out, but fail when it comes time to take it. Now you say I am "low class" because of it? But torog, you say rotten shit about people all the time. Do you feel your high class when you lie, and spread untruths because you don't cuss when doing it? ROTFLMAO!

Toker




Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
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Message #114384 posted by jon104 (Info) May 05, 2008 12:46:59 ET
In Reply to: Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 04, 2008 07:05:03 ET

Make your voice heard don;t bother voting for any of this scum.



Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
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Message #114386 posted by imnother (Info) May 05, 2008 12:48:38 ET
In Reply to: Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by jon104 (Info) May 05, 2008 12:46:59 ET

AMEN.....INDEED! worst selection for pres in my lifetime!



Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
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Message #114392 posted by peace frog (Info) May 05, 2008 23:29:26 ET
In Reply to: Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by imnother (Info) May 05, 2008 12:48:38 ET

when the primaries started and debates were going on with both sides, Romney
was drilled about his religion over and over, while Obama wasn't asked anything
about his. part of his free press pass that is finally running out.




Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood
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Message #114415 posted by imnother (Info) May 07, 2008 10:26:42 ET
In Reply to: Re: Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood posted by peace frog (Info) May 05, 2008 23:29:26 ET

Yeah I agree with that observation. I don't really believe that Obama is a Muslim....but I just can't believe he sat in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years and did not know how Wright felt about issues. I would certainly change churches if I did not agree with the minister's preachin' for sure!

BUT MOST ALL POLITICIANS LIE!




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