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WTF happenned to HOGS post!!!
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Message #114439 posted by LeftyToker (Info) May 09, 2008 02:11:26 ET

.
..What the fuck is going on here!?
...yesterday,my friend Hog posted about a deleted post,,"ghost moderator"..
...Now, that post has disappeared!
....Is someone monitoring/moderating this board?
.....If so, I hope the 'mod' will have the balls to let u s know who they are, and why they are doing it.
......I hope it's not you Del,,,if it is, let us know, if it's not, Who is it?
.....
..¬˚¨ˆ©ø∆ø˚∆…ø∆ˆ©˙¨©ƒ¨ƒ —




Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!!
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Message #114440 posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 02:20:44 ET
In Reply to: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by LeftyToker (Info) May 09, 2008 02:11:26 ET

Missing Posts:

114428
114425
114418
114413

Where are they?
Who deleted them, and WHY!




Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!!
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Message #114445 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 07:13:02 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 02:20:44 ET

if y'all would spend half the time you spend bitching about management by looking in the archives you wouldn't have to be hassling the mods to explain their every move to you...and you would waste far less keystrokes making off-topic threads as the reasons are pretty plain if you would just take the time to look. all posts in question stand out from the others with a big red "deleted" so it's pretty easy to follow.
how many times do i have to say, "it's all in the archives..."?

but here's a clue...this time; as was mentioned would happen in the 'nazi4bud' thread, off-topic trolling posts will be removed and they were and will continue to be along with those demanding answers about why the posts were moved to the archives as most questions about management decisions can be answered by just going into the archives.

surely you have better, more important subjects to go on about...eh? in the past two days alone 1,000's of people were wiped off the face of the earth in myanmar and war has broken out again in lebanon and all you're concerned about are a couple troll posts???





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Message #114446 posted by HydroHog (Info) May 09, 2008 07:48:19 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 07:13:02 ET

off-topic trolling posts



By that logic at least half of lib tokers post towards torog should be deleted. As he is generally way more "trollish" towards torog than any of the post you deleted.

If those are the rules they should be applied evenly. And you KNOW that none of the post I put up were "Trolling".

Lefty saw the "ghost moderator" thread.I'm sure he would agree, That sure as hell wasn't "Trolling".

As a mod you always have been and always will be a joke. And I don't care if I get banned for saying it. These deletions prove it.

The original thread you deleted was started by Imnother. It was simply a thread about the difference in happiness between liberals and conservatives. This is the "politics" board you know. No reason at all for a decent moderator to delete that.

I know this will probably be deleted and myself likely banned for simply calling a spade a spade. That's O.k I don't need to be part of a board that is run by unreasonable moderators that will never be able to admit they were wrong.

And you were GOD DAMN SURE WRONG to delete those post. It's a shame that there is no moderator for the moderator. This is a case of a mod being bored and trying to find fault when there is none.

HOG




Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!!
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Message #114450 posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 09:01:10 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 07:13:02 ET



"If y'all would spend half the time you spend bitching about management by looking in the archives you wouldn't
have to be hassling the mods to explain their every move to you...and you would waste far less keystrokes
making off-topic threads as the reasons are pretty plain if you would just take the time to look. all posts in
question stand out from the others with a big red "deleted" so it's pretty easy to follow.
how many times do i have to say, "it's all in the archives..."?

but here's a clue...this time; as was mentioned would happen in the 'nazi4bud' thread, off-topic trolling posts will
be removed and they were and will continue to be along with those demanding answers about why the posts
were moved to the archives as most question s about management decisions can be answered by just going
into the archives.

surely you have better, more important subjects to go on about...eh? in the past two days alone 1,000's of
people were wiped off the face of the earth in myanmar and war has broken out again in lebanon and all you're
concerned about are a couple troll posts??? "

Del. With all due respect, yer damn right I'm concerned about your deleting "troll posts"!! I think this is very important, and I think your censoring, and de leting certain posts is intrusive, and questionable!
This board does not need to be policed. We have had many world class trolls and flamers drift through here.
The thing that makes this board different and special, is the fact that it has been self mode rated.
It looks alot like you may have personal reasons for deleting HOGS posts.(?) I have a hard time imagining HOG said anything so offensive,off topic or out of bounds,that it justified your intrusive intervention, and deletion of posts!
.I mean no di srespect, but everyone has a right to say what they want here. If you got some personal problem with HOG, then that's your problem. This board is not the place to pick on someone you dislike by using your authority of deletion. We are all seasoned grown u ps here, and if there is a problem with off topic, or trolls, we will all decide if posts should be censored, or deleted.
.As you said; "surely you have better, more important " things to do than micro-manage, and impose your authority on this board!?

H OG is not a troll!.He's a member of this board! People can say what they want to say here. I want to hear anything HOG ,or you, or anyone has to say. We dont need anyone filtering out "troll posts". We like troll posts!
Most everyone here has engaged in s ome form of 'troll posting'.
.Maybe you'll consider this to be a "troll post"?si




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Message #114452 posted by imnother (Info) May 09, 2008 09:25:36 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 09:01:10 ET

Dana....it was not HOGS post that was deleted and it was Hog responding to "my post that was deleted."
I myself do get moderated by del. Just the way it goes.
It is the internet and he lets the "other chick" do ANYTHING SHE WANTS and he supports it.
HOG does know that as he follows the other board.....which I don't ANY LONGER.....and I guess this other chick has free rein and can do as she pleases....but sareal has pissed off del in the past and his widdle entourage. But he is the mod and my behavior has to change to survive here much longer where I call "cyberhome."
I love the loose rules here and I hope I don't ruin it for you guys. CAUSE you guys know I won't take a lot of shit anyway. And Dana I know you don't visit the other board......so you don't understand the BIG PICTURE and dynamics.

So the rules are different for sareal and I can't even call del an asshole because he has the SUPREME power of banning me.....and I really don't want to lose you guys....like I did Major Buds who I have absolutely no contact with now as I refuse to look at the other board because of what del allows to go on there. {you know what you are doing del....{
[sareal ain't stupid just because she admits she is a redneck]
HOG ....BUDS...AND QUAG ARE AWARE THOUGH. AND THANKS FOR YOU GUYS LOVE AND SUPPORT BECAUSE AS DD SAYS...
LET DEL HAVE IT! move on to the next chapter of our life....
but I will always look after Lib and read here for enrichment.
Welcome to Florida...."any of my regulars" will be treated as royalty here. You can find me through Lib if this bitch wins the wimmin' war though.


maw maw troll"....OVER AND OUT......BUSY TODAY AND WILL CHECK MY POSTING STATUS LATER. Love Sar......."




Re: WTF happenned to Good Moderators
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Message #114453 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 09:36:55 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to Good Moderators posted by HydroHog (Info) May 09, 2008 07:48:19 ET

LOL hog...your reputation precedes you. obviously you have much to learn but i don't have the time or patience to teach you. however, this place will not be run by a very few trolls who have nothing better to do than harrass others and i for one am sick and tired of getting complaints about the constant trolling done by the few so yes, i will be a force here until those few learn to either behave and lay off fellow members and management of other sites or take it elsewhere. you will not control this place like you have at the new mh so you had better get used to it or leave now. had you bothered to check the archives you wouldn't be here embarrassing yourself now so take the clue and check it out a tad closer before spouting more crap...and below is the crap i'm talking about that you so conveniently skipped over and crap that will no longer be tolerated and if you don't like it...tough shit.

Please don't tell me that "biotch from SF" WILL BE IN HEAVEN! She is too EVIL and SKANKY NASTY unhappy in her misery to get to "heaven" But Lefty....I don't really hate her....but pity her really. She is really very unhappy out there. Doncha know??? Hate is destructive anyway....but biotch wars are SPORT............GAMES WE PLAY.....AND i AM VERY GOOD AT IT. Just like I don't read much fiction.....and don't play similated war games online. Real biotch wars is more my play game for fun. Nothin' funner than riling up an old biotch LIKE queenie poo!.....as you well know by now.....and it is fun to fuck with her I must confess....LOL! I almost pee my pants laughing and Miss B and Baby J done think Maw Maw has gone nutsy!




Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!!
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Message #114454 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 09:41:22 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by imnother (Info) May 09, 2008 09:25:36 ET

and you dear grrrl are still living in dreamland thinking people are so full of you that all they do is talk about you...well they don't! not a single mention of your name has come up in public for many months now however i get complaints about your trolling every time you pull this fantasy of yours>>>(It is the internet and he lets the "other chick" do ANYTHING SHE WANTS and he supports it.
HOG does know that as he follows the other board.....which I don't ANY LONGER.....and I guess this other chick has free rein and can do as she pleases....but sareal has pissed off del in the past and his widdle entourage. But he is the mod and my behavior has to change to survive here much longer where I call "cyberhome.") and it is ALL IN YOUR HEAD!!! if not show me where all this talk is going on...




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Message #114456 posted by HydroHog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:46:53 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by imnother (Info) May 09, 2008 09:25:36 ET

Yeah, all regulars at some time or another have left "trollish" post. It's no secret I don't like Lib Toker, but I'd never ask for any of his post to be deleted or for him to be banned. Only extreme post should be dealt with like that. I remember some years back when someone was starting 30 or 40 trollish post a day and making it hard for rational discussion, and it was the one extreme circumstance when mod intervention was required. I don't think it's been needed since.

This was clearly done for personal reasons, and I think if someone other than imnother had started that very same thread there is no way in hell it would have been deleted.

I've always tried to be respectful to del even though I've questioned more than one of his past decisions, but this is way too much. Even lefty and I who for the most part are respectful to each other but rarely agree on anything. And it appears we are both in total agreement on this.

I'm off today and am heading for the beach to work on my tan.

If this is my last post here than god speed to all.

HOG




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Message #114457 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 09:58:03 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by HydroHog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:46:53 ET

well hog, you could not be more wrong. if you think for one second i take this shit personally you have much more to learn than i thought...however i do get tired of people trolling with their hate at others who have done absolutely nothing towards them and comparing trolling to the shit y'all toss at each other here just shows how out of touch you really are! now go have a nice tan and think about staying on-topic when you return so there'll be no more whining when trolls and/or their posts get tossed.



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Message #114458 posted by imnother (Info) May 09, 2008 10:06:13 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 09:41:22 ET

then you are not payin' any damn attenention to the new board....but it basically has died under your care anyway.....but HOG DOES KNOW.....TOROG DOES KNOW.....QUAGMIRE DOES KNOW.....FR/MALADROIT KNOWS.......I KNOW THEY DO.
BUT they do know.....but they do mostly like you. nobody's perfect ya know?

DON'T ACT ALL FUCKIN' INNOCENT TO ME DEL.....ya know ...that i know...that you know mr chikin' man! I personally ain't fuckin' stupid.......so if you are UNAWARE........MAYBE you are fuckin' stupid after all.
the only explanation is either del is playin' along.....OR FUCKIN' STUPID AFTER ALL!
HOG won't at least YOU confront him on WTF HE HAS allowed.......ALL IN MY HEAD MY FUCKIN' TEXAS ASS! i MEAN THESE BOARDS ARE YOUR MAJOR FUCKIN' LIFE. At least do a good job at it and run a fair liberal pot board at least and not always be into the money makin' issues. and fuckin' around with the young chicks. GEEZ us old ladies like to hang out with our stoner friends also....

you know....what I know/........and I know it....you can't bullshit me ya know........

HAGO....or at least DHABO........ all in my head my fuckin' ass.......NOW I DO KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY ARE FOR SURE! and NOBODY.........ABSOLUTELY NOBODY INTIMIDATES SAREAL......except maybe LIB AND LEFTY whom I WOULD HESITATE TO CROSS....BUT YOU ARE NOT IN THEIR LEAGUE YET! hago....dhabo wtf EVER!




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Message #114459 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 10:10:59 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by imnother (Info) May 09, 2008 10:06:13 ET

either produce the posts that lead you into such hate or SHUT THE FUCK UP...last chance!



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Message #114461 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 10:59:25 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 10:10:59 ET

well??? we're waiting...or maybe 60 minutes isn't enough time for you to dig up whatever it was that turned you into such a hateful creature? you're the one with the big mouth so either produce or take back all the bullshit you spouted...
you are being called out to back up your bullshit and if you can't then you will apologize to all concerned or you will be looking for a new place that will put up with your crap. i'll give you 30 minutes more to come up with one or the other before tossing you permanently.




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Message #114462 posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 09, 2008 11:19:50 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 09:01:10 ET

I don't know wtf these regulars are going on about in respect to HOG. But as regards to:

"This board does not need to be policed. We have had many world class trolls and flamers drift through here.
The thing that makes this board different and special, is the fact that it has been self mode rated."

lol, the words of the classic internet n00b. As one who mod'ed BBSes back in the 1980s and web forums in the 1990s, I can tell you a different story from personal experience.

Trolls can easily take over a board by typing things like f.u. to the regulars. Oh yeah, you'll say f.u. right back, I'm sure, but that feeds their special hunger for hatred, and they will come back every day, week, month, and year, under a variety of aliases. Think again sweetheart, some people dig hate quite as much as others crave love.

The TROLL capacity for hate far outweighs whatever wit or resourcefulness you (or anyone else) think you have. There are plenty of hardcore trolls who will talk about skull-f*cking your mother day in and day out, and once they get interested in a board they stay interested. Flame wars can easily destroy a forum, because normal people like me do not stick around once the flame wars start in earnest. I have better things to do w/ my time then feed trolls. I would just find another forum where there is a good mod, like DEL.

Pardon me ma'am but you are showing naivety in saying you don't need a mod at all, that you can somehow run things by the democratic process. Give me a mod-monarchy any day over this town hall stuff. For one thing there is no system in place to support democratic modding on a forum. So you're asking the mod to be some sort of vote counter, which is way too much work. Let me ask you one question, how much money have you personally paid DEL recently? I think zero is probably close to the mark.

By the way, flaming a good mod is a good way to lose a mod. I stepped away from modding a forum for this sort of flak, and the forum went to the dogs, people began making threats against other peoples lives and calling them up on the phone, stalking them and crap like that.

Eventually what happens is the police are forced to get involved and requisition IP logs to determine the true identities of those making objectionable threats. Now in the course of doing so on THIS site they might be tempted to open several other investigations of a somewhat tangential nature.

So god save the king! chrissakes if you've been using the internet for over 5 years you should know better than to say we don't need a mod.




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Message #114463 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 11:52:53 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by imnother (Info) May 09, 2008 10:06:13 ET

>>>then you are not payin' any damn attenention to the new board....but it basically has died under your care anyway.....but HOG DOES KNOW.....TOROG DOES KNOW.....QUAGMIRE DOES KNOW.....FR/MALADROIT KNOWS.......I KNOW THEY DO.
BUT they do know.....but they do mostly like you. nobody's perfect ya know?<<<

there ya go again lumping others into your personal fantasy. why not try speaking for yourself for a change and not put your fantasy ideas onto others? and most probaby did not know that mal and fr are one & the same...wtg with yet another outting sara! but you seem to get a thrill doing that and i wish you luck with such actions in the future as most do not care for name-dropping the way you do.


>>>DON'T ACT ALL FUCKIN' INNOCENT TO ME DEL.....ya know ...that i know...that you know mr chikin' man! I personally ain't fuckin' stupid.......so if you are UNAWARE........MAYBE you are fuckin' stupid after all.
the only explanation is either del is playin' along.....OR FUCKIN' STUPID AFTER ALL!
HOG won't at least YOU confront him on WTF HE HAS allowed.......ALL IN MY HEAD MY FUCKIN' TEXAS ASS! i MEAN THESE BOARDS ARE YOUR MAJOR FUCKIN' LIFE. At least do a good job at it and run a fair liberal pot board at least and not always be into the money makin' issues. and fuckin' around with the young chicks. GEEZ us old ladies like to hang out with our stoner friends also....<<<

yes, maybe i am stupid but so what? "mr chikin' (sic) man"? LOL, you have got to be kidding me...or more like just more air out of your ass. that entire paragraph makes no sense whatsoever and has nothing to do with your trolling...must be you're trying to mislead the crowd with more of your bullshit.


>>>you know....what I know/........and I know it....you can't bullshit me ya know........<<<

huh...? i know what you know and you know it??? LOL...get a fucking grip, lady!


>>>HAGO....or at least DHABO........ all in my head my fuckin' ass.......NOW I DO KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY ARE FOR SURE! and NOBODY.........ABSOLUTELY NOBODY INTIMIDATES SAREAL......except maybe LIB AND LEFTY whom I WOULD HESITATE TO CROSS....BUT YOU ARE NOT IN THEIR LEAGUE YET! hago....dhabo wtf EVER!<<<

no one is trying to intimidate and i for one would not waste my time even attempting to do that because i really don't care about you so try to wrap your brain around that and get used to it. and i for sure don't give a shit who does or who might intimidate and wtf does that have to do with your hateful trolling that you refuse to stop? no sara, this is not about me. this is all about you and your hateful messages getting sent to people who have never done you any harm yet you can't seem to accept that so now you must go as you obviously have no intention of ending your one-woman, one-way bitch-fest...

goodbye sara. good luck wherever you land...




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Message #114466 posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 18:46:50 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by tiredoftheshit (Info) May 09, 2008 11:19:50 ET

"Pardon me ma'am but you are showing naivety in saying you don't need a mod at all, that you can somehow run
things by the democratic process."

Pardon me sir, but I am not a ma'am.
Furthermore, I have been here over 5 years, and there have been several incidents where trolls attempted to destroy this board. All the regulars complained, and Del intervened. That was fine,I have no disrespect for Del, and I appreciate his assistance.
This board has endured with no official mod daily monitoring, and scrutinizing /judging every post
It has been free and open, and personally, that's the way I like it..




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Message #114467 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 19:05:02 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 18:46:50 ET

>>>It has been free and open, and personally, that's the way I like it..<<<

and now that the trolling has stopped that's where it'll be once again. i definitely don't like having to keep watch like this but i don't like hearing about other members constantly being harrassed to the point where they ask me to do something about it even more...just as in the past. the only difference this time is the trolling involved people who don't even come here!

it's all in the archives, where this thread is destined to be too.




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Message #114468 posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 19:32:58 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 19:05:02 ET

Thank you Del.
I appreciate your balance, and understanding.
Sincerely.....d
.
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Message #114469 posted by del... (Info) May 09, 2008 19:58:01 ET
In Reply to: Re: WTF happenned to HOGS post!!! posted by dana west (Info) May 09, 2008 19:32:58 ET

thanks, i appreciate hearing it. i can definitely understand how many times our/my workings here seem arbitrary and maybe one-sided but one thing about this place that stands out against all the others is every post is still available for anyone to view, for better or worse. the bad thing about that is every post made here stays online and searchable for years and we've been given a hard time about that policy a few times by those that wish to either change or erase the past but that can not be done...once in the archives they are out of our hands and only ron can do something about it. however on the good side, anyone can see any and all deleted posts so there had better be a good reason for it to be red-tagged! ron kept it like it is partly as a credibilty issue and so mods can't just run around doing as we please as some have suggested...not without catching a shitload of grief anyways.

thanks for understanding...

and to all reading this...as soon as this thread dies down it too will be red-tagged so please don't leave anything of value in this thread (altho it will always be available in the archives!)




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