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U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized'
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Message #114451 posted by Torog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:15:25 ET


U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized'

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May 9,2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/09/myanmar/index.html

U.N. says cyclone-hit Myanmar has confiscated aid shipments

Spokesman say move will shut down U.N. aid flights into country

Australian PM says Myanmar behaving "appallingly" over foreign access

BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- Authorities in cyclone-ravaged Myanmar have seized United Nations aid intended for victims of the disaster, prompting the organization to halt future relief flights, a U.N. World Food Program official said.

The organization, which insists on distributing its own relief supplies, says two aircraft-loads of food, medicine and equipment, were seized by the army in Myanmar's main city Yangon.

"This is another example of them actively getting in the way of relief getting to the victims," said Tony Banbury, Asia director of the World Food Program.

Asked whether the move would jeopardize future U.N. aid flights, he said, "absolutely, from our perspective, it shuts them down."

On Saturday, the United Nations had been planning three further aid flights, from Dubai, India and Cambodia. It would bring tons of biscuits, emergency ready-to-eat meals, and logistical support and equipment, such as boats, to reach isolated areas.

The powerful cyclone, which swept through the country's low-lying river delta regions last weekend killed 22,000, according to Myanmar officials. Foreign observers say 100,000 may have perished, while many more are at risk of disease and starvation.

The seizure of the planes is being seen as a tug of war over who controls aid distribution, and could have a major impact on aid distribution in Myanmar.

U.N. aid officials have warned in recent days that if there are no guarantees that this and future aid can be distributed under its rules. They say they plan to discuss the issue with officials from Myanmar. Watch how some aid is getting through »

The international community, including the United States, has been frustrated by the efforts to distribute aid in Myanmar.

In an effort it says is to speed relief delivery by its military personnel, the United States has devised a new plan that it hopes will be accepted by Myanmar's government.

The ruling junta is suspicious of any U.S. military presence it sees as potentially aimed at unseating the government, a prospect the Bush Administration has repeatedly denied.

One senior U.S. military official tells CNN that the United States is presenting Myanmar with an aid plan that would minimize the presence of American troops on the ground.

The United States is proposing that C-130s fly into the Myanmar carrying U.N. supplies. The planes would drop supplies off and then turn around and leave. But they would conduct as many flights as possible. Look at satellite pictures of the damage by the flooding »

The United States is also proposing that Navy helicopters already in Thailand and on board U.N. Navy ships in the region fly supplies to remote areas. The helicopters would conduct low-level flights and air drop the supplies but not touch the ground.

Four U.S. Navy ships are now moving to a region offshore Myanmar. They are the USS Essex, USS Juneau, USS Harpers Ferry and USS Mustin. Some U.S. Marines are ashore in Thailand for an exercise but could readily be moving to relief operations.

Meanwhile, Paul Risley, a spokesman for the U.N. World Food Program, told CNN the agency has never encountered such resistance to offers of help in such a mushrooming humanitarian crisis.

Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the military junta in Myanmar has behaved "appallingly" by declining to grant more visas to relief workers.

"This has never happened before," he told CNN on Friday.

To complicate matters, Myanmar's embassy in Bangkok, Thailand -- where aid groups have been waiting for days for entry permission -- was closed on Friday for a holiday.




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Message #114475 posted by LeftyToker (Info) May 10, 2008 05:59:46 ET
In Reply to: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by Torog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:15:25 ET

Howdy Torog.
.
..So, If we follow yer "logic", about the reason and justification for invading, and occupying Iraq,
,,then I reckon it's time for Bush to deploy some shock and awe on Myanmar!,
, remove the opium drug cartel dictators who are already responsible for thousands of deaths.
..Hunt 'em down with clumsy smart bombings, like Saddam?
..Ya'll said it again and again, that the main reason you support the invasion and occupation of Iraq, is so folks could enjoy freedom. Dont the people of Myanmar deserve the same as the Iraqis?
..
..Let's Roll!!!!
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Message #114479 posted by Torog (Info) May 10, 2008 07:36:16 ET
In Reply to: Re: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by LeftyToker (Info) May 10, 2008 05:59:46 ET


Howdy LeftyToker,

Actually,it might be best to follow Elijah's tactic,that being the insertion of assasin squads to eliminate the generals..what say you ?

I read in a new article this morning,that the generals are promoting themselves by putting their names on the aid boxes,so the Burmese will know whom to thank..pretty dang infuriating.

What does it say about the world,if we just sit by and let this happen ? Are we more moral to follow a policy of non-intervention..? Or a policy of action ?

Have a good one ...




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Message #114490 posted by LeftyToker (Info) May 11, 2008 03:12:36 ET
In Reply to: Re: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by Torog (Info) May 10, 2008 07:36:16 ET


"Actually,it might be best to follow Elijah's tactic,that being the insertion of assasin
squads to eliminate the generals..what say you ?"

...'what say I ?'...we ll, I reckon you probably dont recall, but during our
discussion/debate of the 'shock & awe' bomb slaughter of Iraq,
,I made the same suggestion;,,If the mission was to remove Saddam,
,then why not simply assasinate him???
..Here's a question:..Who the f* *k was in charge?
..Who made the decision to bomb the *uckin' shit out of Iraq?
..Who was the stupid asshole who tried to hunt down a dictator with bombs?
..Who is responsible for over 4000 DEAD American Soldiers?
..Who is responsible for dumping hundreds of BILLIONS $$ into an undeclared,
and illegal war charade?
..Who's to blame? Who was in charge?
..Who is responsible for the f*cked economy?
..Who's idea was it to try and fix the economy with"stimulus checks"?
...
...What say you, Torog?????

"What does it say about the world,if we just sit by and let this happen ? Are we more moral to follow a policy of non-intervention..? Or a policy of action ?"

...What does it say about YOU,Torog,if you just sit by and ignore the fact of the problems of America?
..What does it say about YOU, if you are so blind and/or ignorant, that you just sit by and let your own country be f*cked by liars, and a demockrassy that has dimented into a corporate whorehouse??
..What does it say about the USA, if we have more people behind bars than China?
..What does it say about America, if we dont even have the freedom to enjoy a harmless herb from God? ...Marijuana/cannabis/hemp is illegal, you just sit by and let this happen ?

"Are we more moral to follow a policy of non-intervention..? Or a policy of action ?"

..."Are we more moral.."???.; you need to define the term "moral" Torog!?
,,then, you can explain what "more moral" would mean!??

"I read in a new article this morning,that the generals are promoting themselves by
putting their names on the aid boxes,so the Burmese will know whom to
thank..pretty dang infuriating."

....well, it seems to me that Bush put his name on them "stimulus checks", so Americans will know who to thank.(?)..you probably might reject, or misunderstand the comparison, and I cant blame you, because it's pretty dang esoteric and insufficiently explained/?/

..Bottom line:..I guess the summary of my point(s), would be to say that it is a matter of focus,/?/
..It seems like you are myopicly focused on any and everything that does not involve critism of the current administration. Dont you care about OUR country?
(I know, yer probably gonna be sayin' I'm "selfis h", for thinkin' of ourselves before we think of other folks freedom/?/)...[that's a pile of crap!]..
..You need to wake up to the fact that OUR country,America, is run by an evil empire!
republicans and democrats are a fake dichotomy!,they are all attending the same party.
..'liberals', are not an organization of 'immoral evildoers'.
..'conservatives' are not some saintly group of morally superior do-gooders.
..'muslims' are not some religion where every believer is on a jihad against infidels,just like
'christians', are not all catholic priest pedophile child molesters, or accidental bomb slaughterers
of innocent Iraqi moms and babys.
..Ya'll need to try and stop lumping folks into categories, and stereotypifications.
...Torog, you would give the shirt off yer back to someone who needed it!
...99.9 percent of muslims would do the same for you!/?/
..
......hago....
..(no need to specifically respond,,I realize that I said too much of alot of not enough/?/)
...consider it food for thought if you want....

PS.....give my regards,(Shalom!), to that nice girlfriend of yours.
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Message #114492 posted by Torog (Info) May 11, 2008 08:12:05 ET
In Reply to: Re: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by LeftyToker (Info) May 11, 2008 03:12:36 ET


Howdy LeftyToker,

Well after reading yer diatribe,I think I can make a little sense of it,it seems that you do advocate targetted assasination of leaders..which is akin to a sucker punch,ya have to be fairly accurate or it don't work so well. Just remember also,it's much harder to find the leaders to terminate,like saddam,when they go into deep cover and when they use doubles,like saddam did and when they're surrounded by so much security,like saddam was..and it becomes impossible to conduct a termination and the twep mission becomes a suicide mission.

I thought that you were all about kow-towing to international laws ? There are many laws against assasinating leaders..oh well,what's one more law or 2,gittin broke-gonna matter ?

Yer right about one thing,I do tend to ignore my own problems and America's porblems,when there's folks in dire need of help-to me-it's being myopic,self-centered and selfish,to focus on my problems or the nation's problems first-when folks need help now-not later -after I've 'fixed' everything..lol. Are ya really gonna tell the folks of Myanmar- "Sorry..but we have tons of problems of our own-that we have to fix first,before we can help y'all.." ! ?

Am I supposed to say to whom it may concern "Sorry-I can't help down at the soup kitchen,because I have to under-go years of therapy first.." ..lol ?

I stopped putting myself first-the day I became a dad..and I ain't going back..my dad taught me to work even when hurt,keep my problems to myself and don't complain about things,I'm not vain either..my mind-set simply doesn't work that way,,as long as there are folks who are in desperate need of food,clothing and shelter..my problems are miniscule-compared to theirs.

Have a good one !



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Message #114507 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 11, 2008 16:55:31 ET
In Reply to: Re: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by Torog (Info) May 11, 2008 08:12:05 ET

"which is akin to a sucker punch"

Which you support of course. Now why does that not suprise me?

"I stopped putting myself first-the day I became a dad..and I ain't going back..my dad taught me to work even when hurt,keep my problems to myself and don't complain about things,I'm not vain either..my mind-set simply doesn't work that way,,as long as there are folks who are in desperate need of food,clothing and shelter..my problems are miniscule-compared to theirs."

Hmmm, thats a lot of "I" and "me" and "my" in there man. Vain??? LOL! Not torog, he would never see himself as a hero out to save the world. He is just out to spread freedom and justice. Notice how he never says truth?

"Yer right about one thing,I do tend to ignore my own problems and America's porblems,when there's folks in dire need of help"

Woooot, torog the hero. Nope, he's not a bit vain, he's a hero. For someone who doesn't want it to be personal around here, you sure do talk a lot about yourself.

Since you seem to support murdering leaders of other countrys, would you support some other country murdering our leaders? How would that murder make you feel? If all countrys in the world made it policy to murder other leaders they don't like, what kind of a world would that be? Leaders are just people, theres lots of them to replace the ones you kill. How do you know they will be any better? If they are not better would you just kill them too? What right do you have to kill? Where do you think the right to kill at will the leaders of other countrys comes from?

Toker





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Message #114511 posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 04:35:40 ET
In Reply to: Re: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 11, 2008 16:55:31 ET


Howdy LT,

Nope..I don't support 'sucker punches' in the form of assasination,you should ask Elijah and LeftyToker,why they do. I do support a pre-emptive strike doctrine,however,because America must survive at all cost.

It figures that LeftyToker would lure me into a situation where I have to talk about myself..lol..well enjoy it because I probably won't do that again..lol.

You ask a whole slew of questions,that you should be asking Elijah and LeftyToker:

" Since you seem to support murdering leaders of other countrys, would you support some other country murdering our leaders?"

I don't support assasination of leaders,and I don't support other countries doing such.


"How would that murder make you feel?"

It would make me want to go to war.



"If all countrys in the world made it policy to murder other leaders they don't like, what kind of a world would that be?"

A choatic one.


"Leaders are just people, theres lots of them to replace the ones you kill. How do you know they will be any better? '

I don't-but it's more likely that the replacement would be better,as long as they aren't of the same mind as their predecesor.

"If they are not better would you just kill them too?"

Nope.

"What right do you have to kill?"

I don't have a right to kill anyone,unless it's in defense of me or a stranger in need,or in defense of my country.

"Where do you think the right to kill at will the leaders of other countrys comes from? "

There is no such right to kill at will.

Even our soldiers in a combat zone,have to abide by the ROE.

Have a good one ...




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Message #114520 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 12, 2008 06:32:02 ET
In Reply to: Re: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 04:35:40 ET

"Nope..I don't support 'sucker punches' in the form of assasination,you should ask Elijah and LeftyToker,why they do. I do support a pre-emptive strike doctrine,however,because America must survive at all cost."

So you do support a sucker punch, I C.

"It figures that LeftyToker would lure me into a situation where I have to talk about myself..lol..well enjoy it because I probably won't do that again..lol."

Figures you would blame someone else for it.

"I don't support assasination of leaders,and I don't support other countries doing such."

You didn't support going after the prez of iran a little while back? Are you sure of that? Do you not consider him to be a leader of a country? If you bomb him, and kill him, is that not murdering the leader of a country? I seem to recall you saying that you wanted to see all the religious leaders in Iran dead before you would open talks. I also recall that you said you wanted to cut the head off the snake. Then theres sadman. We went in to murder him, at the cost of thousands of our troops, and you supported that. You do support the murdering of other countrys leaders. You seem to know it is a bad thing to get into doing, yet you cheer for it from us. How can you explain being for something your agaisnt?

""How would that murder make you feel?"

It would make me want to go to war."

So what would your attack on iran do?

"A choatic one."

Is that what you want?

"I don't-but it's more likely that the replacement would be better,as long as they aren't of the same mind as their predecesor."

They are mostly all muslim over there.

""If they are not better would you just kill them too?"

Nope."

So its a one time shot at freedom for all? If they get a worse guy in charge after you freedomize them, then you just sit there and let them rott? Wow, and all this time you have been pumping yourself up as a hero. Here we find out you would just let people suffer and die under a brutal dictatorship you had a hand in creating. How could you be so selfish torog?

"I don't have a right to kill anyone,unless it's in defense of me or a stranger in need,or in defense of my country."

So you think you can just march in to other countrys and kill as long as you call it defending? IC. Sounds more like invading to me.

"There is no such right to kill at will."

You sure act like there is. You would have US bomb the leaders of Iran, as you have stated in the past.

Toker










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Message #114522 posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 06:43:22 ET
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Howdy LT,

Well it seems that I'm danged if do and danged if I don't,the only path with you-is to git me to agree completely with everything you want or believe..lol.

Have a good one !





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Message #114529 posted by forged registration (Info) May 12, 2008 20:03:43 ET
In Reply to: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by Torog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:15:25 ET

i donated money to the tsunami aid relief a couple years ago but the burmese government's reluctance/interference has me wondering if my charitable contributions would never reach the people who need it



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Message #114539 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 13, 2008 08:34:52 ET
In Reply to: Re: U.N. halts Myanmar flights after aid 'seized' posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 06:43:22 ET

"Well it seems that I'm danged if do and danged if I don't,the only path with you-is to git me to agree completely with everything you want or believe..lol."

Haha, it sure is funny that you contradict yourself so much that you can't get anything right, ever. Yup, I am loling too. Maybe torog, you should think before you spew. When you constently make shit up, let the brainwahing speak for you, and condition your mind to hate people based on lies you tell yourself, then your going to have these problems of contradiction. I know you like to think of yourself as the hero doing right, but it is clear to me that your supporting the "other" side of good when you let things like the founding fathers get turned into terrorists by your side. When it becomes a crime to talk to boyscouts about the constitution, there might just be a problem with our freedom here at home. When there are transcripts of what you say to boyscouts that homeland security has, there might just be a problem here at home that needs your attention. Your side is so intent on destroying our freedom that they are getting blatent about it. When boy, will you stand up and defend your own freedom with blood as you do for your enemies? By the time you get through spreading our freedom and democracy to all, we will have none left.

Toker




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