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Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war'

Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114455 posted by Torog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:46:11 ET From Times Online May 9, 2008 On-the-spot: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' The Times Correspondent in Lebanon describes the scene in shocked West Beirut after the sudden Hezbollah takeover Nick Blanford I'm in Ras al-Nabaa, scene of some of the fiercest fighting last night. The ground is covered in the debris of shattered car windscreens and residents are in a state of shock as they inspect the damage. One woman I just spoke to said that she was here throughout the civil war, from 1975 to 1990, and what happened last night was worse than any of that. The fighting seems to have subsided now although you can still hear the occasional burst of machinegun fire. Hezbollah and their allied militia, Amal, took over almost all of West Beirut overnight and consolidated their position this morning. The Future Party fighters crumbled very quickly and if you drive around West Beirut now you see Hezbollah gunmen on street corners in jeans and T-shirts with AK47s and walkie talkies. There are two main pro-government leaders who live in West Beirut, Saad Hariri and Walli Jumblatt, head of the Druze community. Both have large residences besieged by Hezbollah and Amal gunmen who are controlling access to their buildings. I spoke to one of Mr Hariri's advisers, who is holed up in the same building, and he sounded very despondent. He called it a 'one-sided civil war'. They're trying to work out what happens next but it's unclear how the Government can survive this situation. Lebanon has definitely gone through a major change in the past 24 hours.

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114465 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 09, 2008 15:27:41 ET In Reply to: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:46:11 ET Wooooot! Civil war! Oh man you gotta be in heaven torog. You got more war to watch. Say torog, I notice that you try to hide from posts that put you between a hard place and a rock, instead of defending your position. When the going gets tough, you post 5 or 6 posts in a row to get away from, well, the rock and the hard place your postion leaves you in so regular like. Is that a texass thing, or is it just you? So what do you think all this means torog? Is israel going to take over there now to stop hezbollah from taking over everything and putting israel in danger? Maybe you think the US should go in? So as soon as someone tells you what your supposed to think over at FR, relay that to me so I can give it a once over. Toker

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114480 posted by Torog (Info) May 10, 2008 07:50:50 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 09, 2008 15:27:41 ET Howdy LT, I don't rejoice over war,as you claim. When I git tired of yer endless nagging,I move on..lol. Besides I'm here to debate things,not play school-yard games with you..lol. As for Israel,they ain't interested in taking over Lebanon,they just want to defend themselves from attack. I don't think that the US should "go in",either. As for my fellow Freepers,they probably would like to see Israel open a can of whup-ass on Hezbollah,without interference from the rest of the world,including our politicians. Have a good one... PS: I'm taking del's advice and trying not to feed the troll..lol.

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114489 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 10, 2008 19:08:42 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 10, 2008 07:50:50 ET LOL, you prolly think your funny, lol. Lol, to me you look like you can't defend your postion lol, so you run and hide, lol. I think its funny you can't defend your position, lol. "Besides I'm here to debate things" But you never do. When real questions are asked of you, you do not "debate" anything, you hide. You make up excuses to not answer. It makes you look, well, like you can't defend your position. "As for Israel,they ain't interested in taking over Lebanon" You know this how? Seems to me that israel takes land sometimes by force. "I don't think that the US should "go in",either." So you think we should just sit back and let them kill their women? You think we should just let a terrorist org take over that country? Hell son, that terrorist org is backed by iran. What about freedom for all? "As for my fellow Freepers,they probably would like to see Israel open a can of whup-ass on Hezbollah,without interference from the rest of the world,including our politicians." I am certian you would like that too. They are muslims ya know. They are the enemy. They wanna kill me cuz I is a athiest. Yeeeeefuckinhawwwww! " I'm taking del's advice and trying not to feed the troll..lol." Awwww, man, you calling me a troll? Damn, I thought we were friends! Don't be a pussy and then try to blame del for it. He's not the reason your hiding. Toker

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114493 posted by Torog (Info) May 11, 2008 08:28:05 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 10, 2008 19:08:42 ET Howdy LT, I'm simply not gonna waste my time with things you should already know,and when you attack me personally,I don't respond much because like I told Lefty,I don't put my personal problems first,I ain't going to a psychiatrist or a therapist,either-because I feel that for me-it would be vain to do such. So when ya twist things and situations around so that it amounts to a personal attack against me-I know better than to engage in such dysfunctional behaviour and I walk away from it. I don't think that yer a troll yet,just kinda troll-like..lol. As for del,I'm simply taking his advice-not trying to blame him for anything..lol Have a good one ...

The doctor is in! 5 cents please!

Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114497 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 11, 2008 14:21:45 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 11, 2008 08:28:05 ET Torog you attack people daily. Is it some how ok to attack them as long as its not personal? Seems to me that your saying you don't want to have the same thing done to you that you do to others. You constently attack others different then you. Are you telling me that you can't take a little of what you dish out? I know, I know, you don't consider what you do as being "personal". When you constently attack others, personaly, then it is you personaly attacking others. Why should you be immune to it? What makes you feel like you are above being questioned about the things you say? Do you feel your somehow morally better because you choose to attack people that are not here to defend agaisnt your attacks? Defend your position torog, or look like a fool. Its up to you. Personally, if I was you, I would want to defend my position, and would not resort to such tactics as "tail tucking" and "running off". I don't need to twist your words torog, your already twisted. I am but pointing out some of the twisted thoughts you have, and that upsets your rosy pic you have of yourself. You have lied about me more then once about the same thing. To me that says that you don't care for the truth. When I quetion you about the topic of the post, you hide same as anything. I guess you feel you don't have to be responsable for your actions anymore. Sounds about right for a religious repo. "So when ya twist things and situations around so that it amounts to a personal attack against me-I know better than to engage in such dysfunctional behaviour and I walk away from it. I don't think that yer a troll yet,just kinda troll-like..lol." Blink, blink! OOOOOkkkkkk. I sometimes wonder if you realize the hypocracy and do it to be cute, or if its really as blantently bizzar as it seems. "I ain't going to a psychiatrist or a therapist,either-because I feel that for me-it would be vain to do such." Step into my office. .05 for the first 1/2 hour, then .10 an hour past that. You need help old friend, let me guide you through these troubling times. I think maybe first we should work on your football kicking skills........... Toker

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* del... * Board Moderator Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114500 posted by del... (Info) May 11, 2008 15:39:18 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 10, 2008 07:50:50 ET just so there's no confusion here... >>>I'm taking del's advice and trying not to feed the troll..lol.<<< i have never looked at your debates here as trolling each other but rather nothing more than friendly discussions about whatever topic's at hand. please don't get the wrong idea that you guys and grrls can't get a little snarly with each other during these debates as i'm sure no one looks at it as trolling. the other situation was entirely different as i'm sure most everyone is aware of, or hope so anyway...

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Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114508 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 11, 2008 17:22:46 ET In Reply to: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 09, 2008 09:46:11 ET I read not too long ago that according to NWO plans, Lebanon is supposed to be the tipping point for the war against Iran to begin....the war would first be moved to Syria from Lebanon, and then Iran would get involved, since Syria is their ally....then, the SCO would get involved, since Iran is one of their members. WWIII in full swing soon....my estimate is between 2009-2012 WWIII will be fully going, with all countries involved that will be involved.

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114512 posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 04:55:10 ET In Reply to: The doctor is in! 5 cents please! posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 11, 2008 14:21:45 ET Howdy LT, You ask: "Torog you attack people daily. Is it some how ok to attack them as long as its not personal? " Yup..if for no other reason,than to exercise my freedom of speech..just because the anti-wars think that they can call our enemies not enemies,because they believe that President Bush lied,doesn't make it so..and I will continue to point out that it is not time to surrender yet..even though it seems that the anti-wars are looking for any muslim on the street,that they can surrender to. Thanx for the low-cost offer of counseling,but no thanx-I think I will continue as I am,for now..lol. Have a good one !

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114513 posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 05:05:25 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 11, 2008 17:22:46 ET Howdy Elijah, If Obama gits elected,no telling what his response would be-I don't reckon that he has much will to fight the enemies of freedom and actually defeat them..I think that he would rather surrender,than git unpopular polls. If McCain gits elected,we can expect that he will defend America and our allies..a vote for Obama=defeat..a vote for McCain=victory. Have a good one ...

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114515 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 12, 2008 05:36:10 ET In Reply to: Re: The doctor is in! 5 cents please! posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 04:55:10 ET So if I say your a lier for lying about me, thats not ok because its personal and you feel you don't have to answer or take responsibility for it, but if I say all christian repos are liers its ok because its free speech? "just because the anti-wars think that they can call our enemies not enemies" So thats a good reason to attack people daily, but there is no good reason to attack you daily when you bold face lie about people all the time? You seem rather elitist torog. Do you feel there is a seperate set of rules for you then there is for me? "because they believe that President Bush lied,doesn't make it so.." Are you saying he didn't lie? Just because you believe he isn't or didn't lie, doesn't make it so. http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm "and I will continue to point out that it is not time to surrender yet." I wonder if you realise that the whole surrender thing with you is a lie to yourself? What do you mean yet? Do you feel there is a time to surrender? You keep saying people want to surrender, but in fact no one wants to surrender as you claim. The you say there is a time to surrender. When is it time to surrender torog? When you say things agaisnt others that are not true, what is it your doing torog? Why is it so hard for you to tell the truth? Are all christians liers like you? "Thanx for the low-cost offer of counseling,but no thanx-I think I will continue as I am,for now..lol." What, you like being a lier? Hmmm, interesting. That would explain a lot. I wonder if your desires to lie come from your lack of faith in your god? You have shown that you don't trust your god by going agaisnt his words. You knowingly choose to break his commands. To me that says that you don't trust your god. Trust and have faith in your god torog, and the changes you need to make within yourself will be a lot easier. Toker

McCain=victory

Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114516 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 12, 2008 05:46:31 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 05:05:25 ET Whats victory look like to you torog? You say the warmonger = victory, so you should know what victory looks like against your enemy, islam. Thats not to personal I hope. I suppose I could do as you do, and just make up a bunch of shit and lump you in with a bunch of others, and pretend thats actually what you think, but I want to know what you personally think victory looks like in your own words. Toker

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114523 posted by Torog (Info) May 12, 2008 06:58:58 ET In Reply to: Re: The doctor is in! 5 cents please! posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 12, 2008 05:36:10 ET Howdy LT, You ask: "So if I say your a lier for lying about me, thats not ok because its personal and you feel you don't have to answer or take responsibility for it, but if I say all christian repos are liers its ok because its free speech? " You can call me a liar all ya want-that's yer opinion and yer entitled to it,and I agree also,that yer entitled to yer general opinions about anyone else. I've decided that you calling me a liar,is not a personal attack,anymore..it's yer modus operandi..instead. My relationship with God,is personal and you need to stop appointing yerself,as a liason..you ain't my preacher..I don't even have a preacher at this time. Have a good one ...

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forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #114532 posted by forged registration (Info) May 12, 2008 20:24:37 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 10, 2008 07:50:50 ET "As for my fellow Freepers,they probably would like to see Israel open a can of whup-ass on Hezbollah,without interference from the rest of the world,including our politicians." - correct me if i am wrong, but didn't israel recently open an extra large barrel of whup-ass on hezbollah by invading/bombing the crap out of lebanon recently? the rest of the world didn't lift a finger against israel either

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114537 posted by Torog (Info) May 13, 2008 07:02:42 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by forged registration (Info) May 12, 2008 20:24:37 ET Howdy FR, It's good to have ya back ! I hope that y'all had a great vacation ! Yer right about Israel,they didn't do the Lebanon conflict properly,because their politicians were making decisions that hindered the ability of the IDF to do their mission properly,plus the politicians there have also interferred with the proper training of their troops. Israel needs to have Netanyahu back in place,because he at least-takes the threats to Israel seriously and has the common sense not to believe the crapoloa coming from the pali's and arabs and 'persians'. However-there's some hope that a shred of common sense is going on in Israel,as the goverment has instructed the populace to prepare for the genocidal war that the muslim-jihadists are planning against Israel. Israel has made changes to correct the mistakes of the '06 event and this time around you can expect them to hit hezbollah even harder than last time. Have a good one ... ! :)

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114556 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 14, 2008 05:43:23 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 13, 2008 07:02:42 ET Say torog, why do you think people with more then one wife should jailed? Toker

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114559 posted by Torog (Info) May 14, 2008 07:25:06 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 14, 2008 05:43:23 ET Howdy LT, Why would you ask,in a thread about Lebanon: "Say torog, why do you think people with more then one wife should jailed?" I don't recall saying such a thing,but I do feel that all polygamus situations should be investigated for physical,mental and sexual abuse-that's what the arrests,if any,should be for. Polygamy should be against the law..because of the denial of the rights of the women and children and the abuse that goes along with such. Islam allows polygamy,yet another reason to oppose Islam. Now that ya have my answer,are ya gonna continue to divert the thread ? Have a good one ...

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forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #114566 posted by forged registration (Info) May 14, 2008 10:52:18 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 13, 2008 07:02:42 ET hey torog, i had a great vacation: Body surfing, Beach fires, Barbeques, and Beer...i also came across five Bears on one day of Backcountry motorBiking israel took the threats from hezbollah seriously...the recent israeli-lebanon war killed over 20 lebanese for every israeli who was killed (mostly innocent civilians), and displaced about 1 million lebanese, and rendered a sizeable portion of southern lebanon uninhabitable due to unexploded israeli munitions...canadian taxpayers spent a fair chunk of change rescuing thousands of lebanese refugees with dual citizenship hitting hezbollah is an appropriate response to hezbollah's rocket attacks, but targetting innocent civilians is a war crime so i can't back israel's 2006 invasion of lebanon...it probably made hezbollah stronger anyway

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #114586 posted by Torog (Info) May 15, 2008 07:54:53 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by forged registration (Info) May 14, 2008 10:52:18 ET Howdy FR, Sounds like ya had a great time ! At least Israel has recognized it's faults of military application and have taken measures to fix such and the next round may be more productive,the Israeli's could use a bomber platform like the B-52,with even more effectiveness. Israel needs to use a bigger hammer. Have a good one ...

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Libertarian Toker Premier Member Registered on Apr-13-2001 More User Info Message #114633 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 16, 2008 14:29:33 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by Torog (Info) May 14, 2008 07:25:06 ET Guess I should have read this before writing the other. Sorry, I didn't mean to jump the gun on ya there... Yes torog, I will continue to say any damn thing I want to. Not you or anyone will ever be able to stop me from saying what I feel like saying. Do they have free speech in Lebanon? "Polygamy should be against the law..because of the denial of the rights of the women and children" How does being married to the one you love deny you rights? Do the have rights for "women and children"(tm) in Lebanon now that there is conflict? How does it deny rights of children to have more then one mom? Enlighten me a little further on this. This sounds to me like you would only persecute, errrr, prosecute the man. Is that true? "I don't recall saying such a thing,but I do feel that all polygamus situations should be investigated for physical,mental and sexual abuse-" So you think it is ok to give the government the power to investigate people based on their religious beliefs? Interesting. "and the abuse that goes along with such." In lebanon there is abuse too. Abuse, it would seem, goes a lot farther with regular marrages though. Look at the great state of texass and what do you see? Oh shit, a bunch of wife beaters, child abusers, and all manner of wierd farm animal shit. There really is no good reason to make polygamy a crime. There is more of a case to make adultry a crime then there is to make polygamy. Toker

How long will they kill our prophets? Bob Marley

Elijah Mohammad Registered on Oct-14-2005 More User Info Message #114654 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 19, 2008 14:47:53 ET In Reply to: Re: Lebanon's 'one-sided civil war' posted by forged registration (Info) May 14, 2008 10:52:18 ET "How long will they kill our prophets, While we stand aside and look? Some say it's just a portent, We've got to fulfill the book. But won't you help me sing, These songs of freedom? It's all I ever had.... Redeeeeemption songs. Redeeemption songs." -Bob Marley P.S. I consider innocent children to be among those prophets Bob speaks of....and Torog is one of those "some" who say we've got to fulfill the book and don't think they should try to stop them from being killed. Redemption songs are all I ever had, so I'm asking to help me sing those....let's talk about trying to save innocent people here, not kill them. You feel me? Peace to those who make it, Elijah

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