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Message #114525 posted by pisshead80 (Info) May 12, 2008 15:54:12 ET

lots of links and videos here: http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/051208_feds_accuse.htm

Feds Accuse Student Of "Terror and Espionage" For Talking About Constitution East Texas pastor threatened by anonymous men in dark suits for giving talk to Boy Scouts about bill of rights

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A student of a large bible college in east Texas was accused by federal agents of committing an "act of terror and espionage" after he gave a talk to a group of Boy Scouts in which he encouraged them to educate themselves about the U.S. constitution.

Jeff, who wishes to remain anonymous at present, is a student of the college and an interim pastor of a small church in Mount Vernon, Texas. He appeared today as a guest on the Alex Jones Show to relate what took place.

As part of his duties as an advisor in the college office, Jeff was tasked with the role of giving a short speech and a tour to a group of Boy Scouts that were visiting the college, with a focus on how patriotism and liberty are emphasized in the teaching style of the university.

Jeff said he told the boys, "It's going to be you who is going to take this country and either make or break it - you need to get back to your constitution, you need to get to know your bill of rights and you need to stand up for them."

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Jeff also mentioned that the freedoms enumerated in the bill of rights were fast being usurped by the government and he briefly talked about the USA Patriot Act.

"I said they're stripping us of what we know to be America, what you need to do is re-orient yourself to the constitution because that is the very founding basis of our government and it is the supreme law of the land," he added.

The next day Jeff was called into the main administrative office of the university where he was met by college officials and two men wearing dark suits and sunglasses who did not identify themselves. A state trooper was also guarding the door to make sure everyone stayed inside the office.

Jeff was asked by the men if he talked to the Boy Scouts about the constitution the previous day. Jeff was then shown a transcript of what he said and asked to fill in the blanks.

"I saw the transcript of what I said and every word that those boys had said," stated Jeff.

Jeff speculated that the recording of his talk with the Boy Scouts may have been made by a scout master who looked like a Marine that was taking the tour with Jeff.

After asking the men where they were from, Jeff was told he was committing "acts of terror and espionage" by talking to the Boy Scouts about the constitution and the bill of rights.

Jeff was unable to ascertain exactly where the feds were from but university officials later indicated that DHS (Department of Homeland Security) and the FBI were involved.

Jeff said that the two men told him, "If you say anything, do anything, continue to talk about these kind of things, we can have your head on a silver platter and the University's head on a silver platter and all the programs they've got going on."

Jeff said that a high level college official who was present during the meeting, himself an ex-Marine Vietnam veteran, was extremely nervous and "shaking" as Jeff was being lectured by the two men.

"I went to my room and I broke down in tears," said Jeff after the meeting was finished, "That's it - our country's gone," he added.

Click here to listen to Jeff's interview with Alex Jones.

To have secret police threatening bible college students for talking about the constitution is the most disturbing and un-American scenario one can possibly imagine, but it's not a new phenomenon.

This is just the latest shocking example of how federal agents and authorities across America are targeting people who discuss the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights and accusing them of engaging in political terrorism.

Alex Jones' 2001 documentary film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny featured footage from a FEMA symposium given to firefighters and other emergency personnel in Kansas City in which it was stated that the founding fathers, Christians and homeschoolers were terrorists and should be treated with the utmost suspicion and brutality in times of national emergency.

The lecturer identifies George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers as "terrorists".



In 2001, housewife Abbey Newman was assaulted and arrested by police at a checkpoint for exercising her 4th amendment right. Cops looked through literature which included a copy of a pocket constitution and debated whether or not the material was illegal.

In 2004, Kelly Rushing was charged with making "terroristic threats" after he handed out Alex Jones' videos and recordings of a Congressman Ron Paul speech on C-Span to Lyon County, Kentucky officials and Kentucky State Trooper Lewis Dobbs.

A jury later ruled in favor of Rushing but he continues to be harassed by authorities and local law enforcement.

In October last year a Michigan man was harassed, handcuffed, assaulted, branded "unpatriotic" and subjected to an unconstitutional search of his vehicle during which drugs were allegedly planted, before being ticketed by a police officer for the apparent crime of freely distributing DVD's about 9/11 truth.

We have highlighted previous training manuals issued by state and federal government bodies which identify whole swathes of the population as potential terrorists. A Texas Department of Public Safety Criminal Law Enforcement pamphlet gives the public characteristics to identify terrorists that include buying baby formula, beer, wearing Levi jeans, carrying identifying documents like a drivers license and traveling with women or children.

A Virginia training manual used to help state employees recognize terrorists lists anti-government and property rights activists as terrorists and includes binoculars, video cameras, paper pads and notebooks in a compendium of terrorist tools.

Shortly after 9/11 a Phoenix FBI manual that was disseminated amongst federal employees at the end of the Clinton administration's term in office caused waves on the Internet after it was revealed that potential terrorists included, "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN, " and individuals who "make numerous references to the US Constitution."

To have secret police and federal authorities target people who discuss the very document that they swore an oath to uphold and protect is a chilling prospect and rivals anything that was a pre-cursor to Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.

The precedent of treating a knowledge of the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights as suspicious and possibly a sign of terrorism can only be linked to careful preparations for martial law which are now public.

A shocking KSLA news report last summer confirmed the story we first broke in 2006, that Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

In May 2006, we exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training tens of thousands of Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

A whistleblower who was secretly enrolled into the program told us that the feds were clandestinely recruiting religious leaders to help implement Homeland Security directives in anticipation of a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared.



It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure.

It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."

Pastors were told that they would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance.

The chilling preparations for martial law and the targeting of Americans who merely talk about the U.S. constitution should act as a wake-up call and prompt more people in different levels of authority throughout religious and educational establishments to go public and expose similar examples of this unfolding tyranny.




Re: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For
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Message #114528 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 12, 2008 16:19:53 ET
In Reply to: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by pisshead80 (Info) May 12, 2008 15:54:12 ET

Keep with the truth....yeah! Don't you guys who call yourselves Christians realize what is going on with the nations? Don't you realize that Romans 13 was written only about obeying the government in GOOD things, NOT EVIL things??? If a government is going against its own most basic laws, then isn't it evident that it is no longer the government, but an unruly mob pretending to be the government?



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Message #114535 posted by Torog (Info) May 13, 2008 06:24:12 ET
In Reply to: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by pisshead80 (Info) May 12, 2008 15:54:12 ET


Howdy pisshead,

Thanx for this heads-up..this is disturbing..to say the least..I watched the video of the FEMA dude talking about how the Founding Fathers were terrorists .. and it really pissed me off-because in my mind,they weren't terrorists,they were revolutionaries.

If I had been at that FEMA lecture,I think I would have asked the fema dude if he had lost his mind.

If I had been at the college,I would have asked the homeland security dudes if they had lost their minds and asked the dps trooper if he believed their crap.

Have a good one ...


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Message #114538 posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 13, 2008 08:19:24 ET
In Reply to: Re: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by Torog (Info) May 13, 2008 06:24:12 ET

"If I had been at that FEMA lecture,I think I would have asked the fema dude if he had lost his mind."

Thats it? Thats all you would do?

"Thanx for this heads-up..this is disturbing..to say the least..I watched the video of the FEMA dude talking about how the Founding Fathers were terrorists .. and it really pissed me off-because in my mind,they weren't terrorists,they were revolutionaries."

Was it not you that clamed a loss of freedom was ok as long as it was for the security of the free world? Oh, why yes, I think it was you. These are the things your side set up torog. Your responsibly for them. Can't blame the liberals for this shit. This BS is all your doing.....

"If I had been at the college,I would have asked the homeland security dudes if they had lost their minds and asked the dps trooper if he believed their crap."

I can see it now! Torog says "have you lost your mind?" Homeland thug says " arrest this terrorist". Torog says, "but, but, but". Homeland thug says "I have the power since you let the patriot act live" Torog says; but, but, but I thought you would only use that on terrorist" Homeland thug says "you are a terrorist". You supported this mess torog, now you see its fuckedness and all you can do is ask if these guys have lost their mind? Maybe you should ask yourself that same question, as you support this. It is your side doing it. You said nothing, and sat on your hands when we were telling you this, now you want to ask if they lost their minds? LOL, I am sure thats going to help matters a lot. Any other time you would want to kill for some far less then this. Here we see that your to chicken shit to stand up for your own freedom. The best you can do is ask if they lost their mind? Your willing to kill innocent people, and our troops to spread this kind of freedom to them? No wonder russias prez said he didn't want the kind of freedom and democracy we are spreading. Theres nothing free or democratic about it any more. And guess what torog? Its your fault. You let your side strip away our rights and freedoms because you wanted to be seen as a hero out to free the world from tyranny. You ignored the home front as if it was knoble to take the log from others eyes first, and now your seeing the results of that. Well good work buddy, you sure showed us how to protect the free world. From now on when our freedom is taken, we will all do as you do and just ask if they still have their mind. That should help a lot to restore our freedom. Hell son, maybe you should just ask the prz of iran if he's lost his mind? That will set that country straight right there. No need for war or violence, just simply ask if they lost their mind.

Toker





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Message #114557 posted by Torog (Info) May 14, 2008 06:58:39 ET
In Reply to: Re: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by Libertarian Toker (Info) May 13, 2008 08:19:24 ET


Howdy LT,

You ask: "The best you can do is ask if they lost their mind? "

What do you expect me to do ? Rip out their throats with my bare hands ?

My question to them,would just be the start of my rant at them.

You spew: "Any other time you would want to kill for some far less then this. Here we see that your to chicken shit to stand up for your own freedom."

If you think that yer gonna drag me into saying that I would kill the HS dudes and DPS trooper,on the spot..yer dang sure barking up the wrong tree..lol.

If yer hinting that is what you'd do,then yer alot more stupid than I thought..lol.

Please,by all means--tell me what the proper response should be..O enlightened one ?

Have a good one ...


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Message #114570 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 14, 2008 14:45:12 ET
In Reply to: Re: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by Torog (Info) May 14, 2008 06:58:39 ET

Torog, this may be a little off topic....it's meant to address the picture you posted....I have a number of questions about it.


1. Do you really think there are 80 million Americans with guns?

2. Do you really think that even a significant portion of these are heavy assault weapons?

3. Do you really think that regular civillians are equivalent to the top warriors of a warrior society?

4. Do you really think a few guns can defeat tanks, bombs, aircraft, artillery, rockets, grenades, armor, missiles, as well as chemical and biological weapons?

5. The Iraqis, under Saddam, were allowed to possess far more and far heavier weapons than we in America are allowed to possess under our government....yet, the US military was able to disarm most of their population rather quickly, and Saddam put down a rebellion very quickly as well, with far smaller weaponry, how do you expect the American populace to succeed in a rebellion?

6. Do you really think 80 million people would resist martial law?

7. Do you really even think 20 million people would resist martial law?




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Message #114572 posted by forged registration (Info) May 14, 2008 16:38:51 ET
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if atheist commies took over america, i think torog would grab his gun to join the american christian insurgency and manufacture improvised explosive devices to blow up americans supporting the commie government along with any innocents who happen to be standing within the blast radius



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Message #114584 posted by Torog (Info) May 15, 2008 07:29:20 ET
In Reply to: Re: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 14, 2008 14:45:12 ET


Howdy Elijah,

You ask:

"1. Do you really think there are 80 million Americans with guns?"

Yup..if not more.

"2. Do you really think that even a significant portion of these are heavy assault weapons?"

Nope..because heavy assault weapons are capable of full-auto fire and must be .308 caliber and above,deer rifles are not heavy assault weapons.

"3. Do you really think that regular civillians are equivalent to the top warriors of a warrior society?"

Nope..not at first..but over time-they will become quite proficient.

"4. Do you really think a few guns can defeat tanks, bombs, aircraft, artillery, rockets, grenades, armor, missiles, as well as chemical and biological weapons?"

Well..it's like this,first ya take the soldier's rifle,that fires full-auto,via a sneak attack,then ya take a tank and so on,like the resistance did in WW2,after air-drops of stamped-out pistols were given to the resistance to fight back against germans..any weapon used for hunting can be used for self-defense and working one's way up the ladder to bigger and better things,plus there would most likely be mutinies for the goverment to deal with too.

"5. The Iraqis, under Saddam, were allowed to possess far more and far heavier weapons than we in America are allowed to possess under our government....yet, the US military was able to disarm most of their population rather quickly, and Saddam put down a rebellion very quickly as well, with far smaller weaponry, how do you expect the American populace to succeed in a rebellion?"

That's because the Iraqi's ain't Americans..they have tribal loyalties to consider,as well as sectarian loyalties too. Plus,many wanted to have the Americans take charge. The folks I know around here are fiercely protective of their freedom and most are dang good hunters and veterans too..they are well and heavily armed.

"6. Do you really think 80 million people would resist martial law?"

I would hope so - it all depends on just how rough the goverment would be in such a situation,you kill grandma..all bets are off !

"7. Do you really even think 20 million people would resist martial law? "

Yup..easily.

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Message #114595 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 15, 2008 14:38:00 ET
In Reply to: Re: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by Torog (Info) May 15, 2008 07:29:20 ET

Well, I just did a little research on your answers, Torog (at least the verifiable ones).

Looks like you are right on those....about 70 million Americans own about 190 million guns.


As to the non-verifiable ones....I hope you're right....but I have some serious reservations.


Let me explain the NWO plan, and why I think it will probably succeed. We have had martial law "experiments" in limited areas of the United States during National Disasters, and also just drills a few times as well. There was martial law in the South after the Civil War. None of these circumstances saw a successful rebellion....the first examples show how Americans now are laxadaisical about their rights, and the Civil War example shows why.....Americans did try to fight their government once, and they failed.....that was even BEFORE the government had much more advanced weaponry than the citizens....it was on a much more equal footing then, and they STILL lost.


Here is why a rebellion wouldn't happen or succeed nowadays.

The first thing they have already prepared to do is arrest and put into prison camps millions of people they think would be some of the first to rebel.....you and I might be a couple of those people (maybe I'll see you there?) There will be no warning of this action....swat/military teams will bust into our doors simultaneously sometime, and just take us all in (whichever of us they don't end up killing in a shootout at that time). Though, believe me, you won't know when the SWAT team is coming, unless you live on a well secured compound.....you won't have time to get your guns ready to fight them (unless you keep them loaded and within arms reach at all times) because they will already be in the living room in your face when you realize they are there.


After they take all of us dissenters into custody, they will send the military onto the streets, and announce martial law.....most people who otherwise would have fought them will already be in jail or dead, and the flocks of sheeple will be herded into the stadiums to get their vaccinations and microchips, probably without too much protest, because they will have been convinced by either WWIII, or an even nastier attack than 9-11 that it is in their best interests.



Foreign troops will be used, so they will not have mercy on poor grandma, and they will take everyone's guns when they round them up, initially in their homes (just like in Iraq). Anyone who defends poor grandma will be instantly shot, and the other sheeple will be too terrified to resist, especially without their guns, and without you and I there to assist them.


That's the scenario I believe will happen, and I don't think it is possible to avoid it unless much of America simultaneously decides to Unite, and remake their government before this happens (which, it will probably happen very soon, within the next few months to the next few years). The problem with that is that they have us monitored, and any attempt to communicate and unite to do something like this will be nipped promptly in the bud.....and if you don't think there are many tribal/sectarian factions/loyalties in America, think again....people are pretty divided on a lot of things here....to get a consensus of how to remake the government even would seem impossible....at least Federally.....the easiest and best way would be for us to abolish the Federal government completely, and just have all of our states be allied nations, with more local governments.....that might work, but still, you have the planning issue....how does something so large get planned without the planners being busted up before they really even get much of anywhere? You can't have a non-organized rebellion, Torog, it just doesn't work....it will create some chaos, yes, but not victory....and as the civil war proved, even an organized rebellion probably wouldn't work....and now, the Feds have much better/bigger weapons than in the Civil War.




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Message #114614 posted by Torog (Info) May 16, 2008 06:32:42 ET
In Reply to: Re: Feds Accuse Student Of 'Terror and Espionage' For posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 15, 2008 14:38:00 ET


Howdy Elijah,

I don't want to believe that yer right about what you think will happen..I believe that there will be mutinies across the board..also,I'm pretty sure that there are those more organized in the shadows,than you realize.

The 'goverment' is made up of humans-therefore-they can make mistakes and they can be defeated. Most Christians I know in these parts,think that the microchip you speak of,is nothing less than the mark of the beast..and would rather die fighting-than to have the mark of the beast.

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Message #114766 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 23, 2008 14:40:39 ET
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The Bible says that the Beast will reign over the entire world for at least 3 and 1/2 years, if you take those verses literally, longer if you take them figuratively....we must fight with Spiritual Weapons, Torog....it is the only way to defeat Babylon and the Beast(s). The 144,000, and the two witnesses praying for plagues, and testifying to the truth of the full Revelation of YVHV, this is where the defeat of the beast is. The Seven Trumpets, thunders, and vials.



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Message #114769 posted by forged registration (Info) May 23, 2008 18:11:58 ET
In Reply to: You don't want to Believe the Bible? posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 23, 2008 14:40:39 ET

if you are willing to take things in the bible figuratively, would you accept the possiblity that the end-of-times apolocalypse story in revelations is a symbolic metaphor? perhaps a cautionary tale about the resurgence of christianity after a natural disaster or non-mystical war?



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Message #114783 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 24, 2008 22:35:07 ET
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"if you are willing to take things in the bible figuratively, would you accept the possiblity that the end-of-times apolocalypse story in revelations is a symbolic metaphor? perhaps a cautionary tale about the resurgence of christianity after a natural disaster or non-mystical war?"



I am willing to take certain parts of the Bible figuratively, however, I can't sum up the entire book of Revelation to your conclusion....I don't consider it to be a possibility....I do consider it to be a possibility that that is PART of it, and even maybe a STRONG part of it...but not the WHOLE of it, by far.




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Message #114795 posted by forged registration (Info) May 25, 2008 11:52:15 ET
In Reply to: Re: You don't want to Believe the Bible? posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 24, 2008 22:35:07 ET

since the book of revelations is a prediction, the most important parts of it remain fictional until they actually happen...i predict that they will remain fictional, and that is not fictional until they happen

doomsday myths are common across many cultures


White River Sioux legend:

Located in the Badlands of the Dakotas is a place called "Maka Sicha". Inside an undiscovered cave lives an old woman. A large pot of wojapi sits boiling on her left, while a great black dog (named Shunka Sapa) makes its home on the ground to her right. For over a thousand years she has been preparing a buffalo robe by threading it with porcupine quills. The only time she rises is to stir the pot of wojapi. During the brief moments she is away from her work, Shunka Sapa pulls the quills from the robe, undoing the woman's many years of work. Always unaware of the meddling, she returns to to thread the robe once more. On the very day she finishes the robe, the world will end.




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Message #114831 posted by Elijah Mohammad (Info) May 27, 2008 07:15:00 ET
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Yeah, when the Woman finishes that pot of Wojapi, and eats it, and feeds her dog, then she'll finish the robe without distraction.



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