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Can Muslims Be Good Americans????

sareal Registered on Jun-21-2006 More User Info Message #96380 posted by sareal (Info) August 03, 2006 14:49:01 ET can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen????.....consider this: THEOLOGICALLY,no,because his allegiance is to Allah,the moon god of Arabia....SCRIPTURALLY,no,because his allegiance is to the 5 pillars of Islam and the Koran[Quran].....GEOGRAPHICALLY,no,because his allegience is to Mecca,to which he prays 5 x a day..........SOCIALLY,no,because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.......DOMESTICALLY,no,because he is instructed to marry 4 women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him[Quran,4:34]......RELIGIOUSLY,no,because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam[Quran2:256].....INTELLECTUALLY,no,because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.....PHILOSOPHICALLY,no,because Islam,Muhammad,and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and free expression....democracy and Islam cannot coexist...every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.......SPIRITUALLY,no, because we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind,while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father,nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.....perhaps we should be very suspicious of all Muslims in this country...they obviously cannot be both good Muslims and Americans....call it what you wish....it is still the truth...

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budsson Registered on Jul-30-2006 More User Info Message #96382 posted by budsson (Info) August 03, 2006 14:55:59 ET In Reply to: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 03, 2006 14:49:01 ET Islam is the enemy Sareal. This is God vs. "Allah", Jesus vs. Mohommed Right vs. wrong, Good vs. evil, Light vs. dark. Kill them all, it's survival of the fittest..exactly what the Godless left believes in until they hypocritically and Nazi-afy go against Israel. God has blessed Israel and these godless idiots have no conception or idea or belief in what God has planned for Israel.

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forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #96388 posted by forged registration (Info) August 03, 2006 15:37:07 ET In Reply to: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 03, 2006 14:49:01 ET thats silly: i could write the same drivel about christians like so: can a devout roman catholic be an American patriot and a loyal citizen????.....consider this: THEOLOGICALLY,no,because his allegiance is to yahweh, the god of the jews....SCRIPTURALLY,no,because his allegiance is to the 10 commandments which forbids the worship of idols like the american flag and the washington monument.....GEOGRAPHICALLY,no,because his allegience is to israel, to which usa taxpayers pay $3 billion per year in unconditional foreign aid..........SOCIALLY,no,because his bible forbids him to make friends with non-believers.......DOMESTICALLY,no,because he is instructed to scourge and kill his wife and children when they disobeys him[leviticus]......RELIGIOUSLY,no,because no other religion is accepted by his god except roman catholacism [extra Ecclesiam nulla salus].....INTELLECTUALLY,no,because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on SECULAR principles and he believes that man is corrupt...i wish all christians would be loving and kind like jesus instead of wrathful and genocidal like their biblical god...they obviously cannot be both good roman catholics and americans

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sareal Registered on Jun-21-2006 More User Info Message #96390 posted by sareal (Info) August 03, 2006 15:50:28 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by forged registration (Info) August 03, 2006 15:37:07 ET Oh...FR....that was provided to me by my friend who HAS had a lot to do with these people,but it does sound on the money to me.....i was just laughing about that fiasco on Market board.....i truly don't quite understand peoples attitude about this board....but it certainly is different on the other boards.....i don't see why we can't talk politics with some humor...ie.Buds....i would like to see this board grow,but i don't really think the regulars want it to....they want to keep it to just a few.....BORING......we need to encourage others to come here......don't you think an international website should have more people post.....i am beginning to figure out why though.......you guys want to keep it your private little lefty thing......personal chat club.....when someone like Buds comes in you guys are threatened......n

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forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #96392 posted by forged registration (Info) August 03, 2006 15:54:40 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 03, 2006 15:50:28 ET you misprepresent the people on this board (again)...when are you going to stop acting like an outsider and admit that you're part of this forum? lefty is our offical welcome wagon...he rolls out the red carpet for almost every new poster regardless of their political inclination of course we can talk about politics with humour...majorbuds wasn't banned for being funny

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LeftyToker Registered on Jan-21-2003 More User Info Message #96434 posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 02:44:19 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by forged registration (Info) August 03, 2006 15:54:40 ET "lefty is our offical welcome wagon...he rolls out the red carpet for almost every new poster regardless of their political inclination" ...Thank you FR..even though there is nothing 'official' about my "welcome wagon",(or oxcart,,prairie sc hooner,,soap box derby racer,,etc..), I really appreciate your mentioning this because I always try to make everyone who drifts through here feel comfortable and welcome to speak their mind.)?( ...I remember when I first met Clara Barton; I made a mildly c onfrontatio nal inquiry about a spelling glitch, and she responded by launching an awesome offensive personal attack on my education, parents,etc...yet now we are friends .. Sareal sez: ".i would like to see this board grow,but i don't really think the r egulars wa nt it to....they want to keep it to just a few.....BORING......we need to encourage others to come here......don't you think an international website should have more people post...i am beginning to figure out why though.......you guys want to k eep it your private little lefty thing......personal chat club.....when someone like Buds comes in you guys are threatened....." FR responds: "you misprepresent the people on this board (again)...when are you going to stop acting like an outsider and adm it th at you're part of this forum" ...I dont think there are many boards that even come close to being tolerant and free as this special place! .. ..Everyone is welcome here!..the buds tried to see how far he could push until he got to the limit of tole rance, and he is still welcome to this day!. ..Sareal. if ya'll are gonna make the assertion that this is some kind of lefty clique, then you're gonna have to do better than make the cheap accusation!!!..c'mon!...heck, ask the buds himself....I think he will tel l you that he had to make quite an effort to get his ass booted,,and even after trying to trash the board, he was still accepted back! ... ..Bottom line:..you find me another board that is this free, diplomatic and open, and I'll cut my hair! PS....Sare al,,.I notice you have taken up the habit of "............". ..beware, alot of people consider such punctuational aberrance as a sign of compromised intellect/?/ ...i think ITS ALOT like the WAY ALL lower OR UPPER CASE is sometimes viewed.]]??[[ ˇ

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #96438 posted by Torog (Info) August 04, 2006 07:32:27 ET In Reply to: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 03, 2006 14:49:01 ET Howdy sareal, Well said,I say ! Muslims are under more pressure,from their religious leaders,to be fundementalists with violent over-tones,than Christians are under. I don't recall our preacher ever saying that we must go home and beat our wives or our children,that strapping on a bomb-belt and killing non-Christians,is a good thing that brings a Heavenly reward,etc. For a muslim,the response to a percieved injustice,is usually a violent response,also,we must keep in mind,that the koran tells muslims,that infiltration of a host country or a native country,is a form of Jihad,that's actively encouraged by imams and clerics,around the world. I fall under the domestic terrorist label of 'Super-Christian patriot',myself,because I'm loyal to God and His Son,Jesus Christ,first and America second. Now I hope I don't offend ya when I say,unlike secular humanists and atheists,I don't believe that I can trust any man or woman,over God or Jesus,to be my 'leader'..as I'd question everything that they do and see if it's for personal gain or good for everyone's interests. I think the question should be re-phrased to ask: "Can devout muslims be good Americans ?" In which case,I'd say.."probably not". Christians support and believe in,freedom for all and equality for all,we support the ideals,values and traditions,that made America,the greatest country in the world. Islam,is almost directly counter to those beliefs and desires a return to the 7th century. Have a good one ...

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Torog Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #96439 posted by Torog (Info) August 04, 2006 07:36:45 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by Torog (Info) August 04, 2006 07:32:27 ET A little edit is in order. I said: "I don't recall our preacher ever saying that we must go home and beat our wives or our children,that strapping on a bomb-belt and killing non-Christians.." It should read, "non-muslims"

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LeftyToker Registered on Jan-21-2003 More User Info Message #96440 posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 07:48:24 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by Torog (Info) August 04, 2006 07:32:27 ET Howdy Torog.. ..forgive me for adding my 2 cents worth. "I fall under the domestic terrorist label of 'Super-Christian patriot',myself,because I'm loyal to God and His Son,Jesus Christ,first and America second." ...yes,,all true Christians brag about ho w loyal and faithful they are...especially Super Christians! " Now I hope I don't offend ya when I say,unlike secular humanists and atheists,I don't believe that I can trust any man or woman,over God or Jesus,to be my 'leader'..as I'd question everythi ng that they do and see if it's for personal gain or good for everyone's interests." ...yes indeed...it's clear for all to see that you refuse to allow any worldly influence to get in the way of your following Jesus!! hago

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yellowjacket Registered on Aug-29-2003 More User Info Message #96443 posted by yellowjacket (Info) August 04, 2006 08:14:48 ET In Reply to: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 03, 2006 14:49:01 ET Muslims cannot be good americans?!? Right, and Jews couldn't be good german citizens either. And catholics couldn't be good americans, since the Bishop of Rome is their leader. Isn't that how it went?

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sareal Registered on Jun-21-2006 More User Info Message #96451 posted by sareal (Info) August 04, 2006 10:28:29 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 02:44:19 ET ""beware,alot of people consider puntuational aberrance as a sigh of compromised intellect/?/...i think ITS ALOT like the WAY ALL lower OR UPPER CASE is sometimes viewed.]]??[[."..........you know Lefty i never claimed to be MENSA....but i know what it is.....i happen to know what my IQ is and it is high side of normal range.....i am very educated in an unorthodox way as i never attended high school, but now have an MSN in nursing....yes it is possible,but takes a lot of bleeding and cost a price to my family i can never make up to them........though i try.....which is why i stick around florida to babysit their kids and drive the kids to various activities.....i realize there are people here more intelligent than i....which is one reason i come here.....i don't want to hang out with dumb asses.....but show me the thread where i said i had some kinda superior intelligence.......as for the upper and lower case typing....i stole the method from FR.....but i capitalize to show respect ...ie..America,God,Lefty,......also i capitalize for emphasis on something........it is becoming my personal style.....before i retired the only computer stuff i did was in the hospital....only took up PC after retirement....so kinda computer dumb, but learning.....but if your point is that you are smarter than me....well you are probably right.....what does that get you?.....the MH Political Prize for being the most intelligent person that posts here.....or maybe you should ask Ron to make new posters pass an intelligence test before they post....i still find it interesting how people on other boards percieve this board.....as for my punctuation.....i did very well in english comp I and english comp II.....BUT in my retirement i don't want to chat on this computer and worry about my puntuation and even spelling errors and proper writing that i did in school......Have you ever heard of the Gordon Rule......I learned to hate Gordon because he came up with legislation that every college grad had to write so many words to graduate from a florida college......my daughter the nurse/journalist is the genious writer in the family.....and if i could give you her name you could actually find articles online that she has published in nursing journals...Navy newspaper...and a national magazine found on news stands.....but she is waaaay smarter the me....she is her father who was genius yet on high school dropout....educated on the job in the military and self educated by massive reading.....most of my knowledge until now was in the health care sciences....i am trying to expand my knowledge now by reading massive amounts of history daily in fact.....but i am happy with myself .......DAMN Lefty sometimes your a pain in the ass......lol........as FR SAYS THAT POPEYE SAYS....i yam what i am what i am .....

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sareal Registered on Jun-21-2006 More User Info Message #96454 posted by sareal (Info) August 04, 2006 11:00:35 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by Torog (Info) August 04, 2006 07:32:27 ET no offense taken Torog.....your honesty and how genuine you are is what makes me like you so much...HAGO

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spitkah Registered on Nov-29-2002 More User Info Message #96456 posted by spitkah (Info) August 04, 2006 11:18:27 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 02:44:19 ET I dont think there are many boards that even come close to being tolerant and free as this special place! from what I have observed, there is no place on the net like this one. It is unrivaled for high tolerance and a free form forum. there is none better. anybody is welcome, come what may. but then the so-called liberal, left wing nut cryote is as intolerant of others as I have ever seen. the so-called 'liberal' Ddc takes his ball and goes home to cry when people refuse to see eye-to-eye with him. they're both purdy much true hypocrites, probably more so than Torog but then, I am about the best hypocrite here. I won the trophy for the world's best hypocrite. raise your tolerances, open up your mind, use your single-celled brain, and you'll be ok. if you can't do that, you're an idiot Can Christians be good Americans? obviously not, they think America is a Chrisian nation. That is a form of greed worse than a multi-billionaire Republican has. All Christians will probably go to hell because of it. Tariq Aziz is a better Christian than any American Christian ever thought of being. a Catholic at that heck, even some Muslims are better Christians than some Christians.

Tariq Aziz

spitkah Registered on Nov-29-2002 More User Info Message #96458 posted by spitkah (Info) August 04, 2006 11:35:12 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by spitkah (Info) August 04, 2006 11:18:27 ET http://www.iraqinews.com/people_aziz.shtml

Can Torog Be A Good Christian???

forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #96459 posted by forged registration (Info) August 04, 2006 11:38:57 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by Torog (Info) August 04, 2006 07:32:27 ET "I fall under the domestic terrorist label of 'Super-Christian patriot',myself,because I'm loyal to God and His Son,Jesus Christ,first and America second. " - if you are loyal to jesus first, why do you judge your fellow liberal and muslim men so harshly? why do you reject peace? why do you violate commandments 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, and possibly 10 to support and worship your country/government? "I don't offend ya when I say,unlike secular humanists and atheists,I don't believe that I can trust any man or woman,over God or Jesus,to be my 'leader'..as I'd question everything that they do and see if it's for personal gain or good for everyone's interests." - why did you trust george bush and his cartoon evidence that iraq has WMD and mobile weapons labs even after the weapons inspection teams dismissed his claims? you trusted george bush on his word that it was neccessary to kill innocent iraqi civilians and steal their country and rape its resources...now the country is in chaos and on the brink of a civil war (if its not already in progress)...which side of the civil war will you trust george bush to tell you to support? "Christians support and believe in,freedom for all and equality for all,we support the ideals,values and traditions,that made America,the greatest country in the world." - america is a fine country but its not the greatest country in the world...not by a long shot...if christians support freedom and equality for all (even though its expressly forbidden in their bible), then they should be outraged at the tyranny of their government both at home and abroad "Islam,is almost directly counter to those beliefs and desires a return to the 7th century. " - to which century do you want to return? you want to turn the clock back to the mccarthy hearings, and back before roosevelt's new deal, and even back to the crusades! i know you love your country but its hard to believe you put jesus ahead of the flag of the greatest country in the world that can do no wrong...you might even believe america is perfect, sinless, and divinely blessed

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LeftyToker Registered on Jan-21-2003 More User Info Message #96464 posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 11:48:22 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 04, 2006 10:28:29 ET ..Sareal...Please,,I had no intention to make a point that I am smarter than you or anyone else! .. ..smartness is relative, and I am much stupider than many idiots and /or morons! .. .all I was tryin' to talk about was the thing of people being welcome here, and your insinuations about this being some sort of closed , cliqueish leftesque board where newcomers were discouraged from participation. ..I didn't mean to have you think I was making a personal attack or critique on you, I was merely attempting to point out the fact that you were rather somewhat of an angry bitch when you first joined in here, and if this was the little closedminded, private club that you insinuated, then you would not have been diplomaticly welcomed in the way you were?/?/?/?/..heck..even buds had to admit that I'm not that fucked)?( ...furthermore;consider yourself lucky you never IQ'd your way into mensa because you would find many dry obsessive priggish arrogant highbrow wannabe epicurians)?(,,but then again, there are a f ew ditchdiggers and janitors that might make it worthwhile?/?/ ..bottom line: even if you were really stupid,, you would still be OK in my opinion±

Re: Can Torog Be A Good Christian???

forged registration Registered on Dec-17-2005 More User Info Message #96466 posted by forged registration (Info) August 04, 2006 11:49:10 ET In Reply to: Can Torog Be A Good Christian??? posted by forged registration (Info) August 04, 2006 11:38:57 ET ten commandments

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sareal Registered on Jun-21-2006 More User Info Message #96470 posted by sareal (Info) August 04, 2006 12:06:08 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 11:48:22 ET maybe i am a little touchy in that area...i spent 10 years getting my education and spent a lot of time in various classes over the years....nurses are very competitive in their academics.....so someone always thinks they are smarter....i can honestly say the i never failed a college class....although i had to drop some classes at times because i took too big a load....i actually tried to take chemistry,anatomyI,and microbiology the same semester which is waaaaay stupid of me....so i had to drop 2 of them to next semester...NEVER take three sciences together in the same semester....even if you don't work....i thought i could handle it.....NOT....but yes you do welcome new people, but you seem to be the head honcho here.....and i am still getting over your description of my ------ ...oh by the way....what the hell were you refering to with the---------....so small i could not count them....[i am old]....why don't you just say it....i can handle it.....anyway....bottom line....i REALLY am quite fond of you Lefty....LMAO

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LeftyToker Registered on Jan-21-2003 More User Info Message #96472 posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 12:21:31 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 04, 2006 12:06:08 ET "and i am still getting over your description of my ------ ..." ..Sareal...please forgive me for anything I said in reference to your ______.. ..I have never seen,,smelled,,and/or touched your ___, and I imagine it's probably quite nice and well maintained.... . .....I aint no "honcho",,I'm just an old drifter.. best wishes to you my friend.

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sareal Registered on Jun-21-2006 More User Info Message #96475 posted by sareal (Info) August 04, 2006 12:40:13 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 12:21:31 ET well i have said a few nasty things to you also.....so i apologize for all the things i have said about you...but you guys give me something to look forward to each day....sareal enjoys a good little fight now and then....i will try to keep the arguments about politics and not personally attack....i am working very hard on being tolerant of YJ though.....he is like one of my kids who likes to stretch my patience......OK YJ ...you get 10 minutes in timeout for being a bad boy today......i am reading how to control unruly toddler....unfortunatly my grandaughter B is a little sareal....spitting image of sareal.....and meaner than hell......God help us....but anyway Lefty....i am not mad at you....i enjoy your daily posts.......NOW TELL ME THE DAMN TRUTH ABOUT THOSE SQIGGLES AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR POSTS....LOL

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LeftyToker Registered on Jan-21-2003 More User Info Message #96479 posted by LeftyToker (Info) August 04, 2006 13:07:58 ET In Reply to: Re: Can Muslims Be Good Americans???? posted by sareal (Info) August 04, 2006 12:40:13 ET "NOW TELL ME THE DAMN TRUTH ABOUT THOSE SQIGGLES AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR POSTS." ...believe it or not Sareal..I already told you the truth. . ..ever since the site shut down for maintainence, I have experienced anomoles in formatting, and the strange le tters and symbols appearing at the end of posts...There have been weird greek things like' ∂ ' that I didn't even know how to make.n.. ..that "n" was added after the 'preview post'.... ..I am serious, I don't know what the fuck this is! ..I have gone ba ck and tried to blank them out, and sometimes they will be erased by space-baring them, but other times they will reappear as a quote mark,,etc.. . ..this is not a joke...(if it was,,it would be stupid)...µ See...I have no idea how to make that thing after "stupid)",,it appeared after checking 'yes' "preview again". .. .I am not kidding...

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