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PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat
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Message #174579 posted by bum (Info) May 01, 2008 01:02:13 ET

On April 21, 2008, PETA announced a one-million dollar x-prize style reward
for the first group to successfully produce synthetic meat that is comparable to
and commercial viable against naturally sourced meat products.




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Message #174594 posted by Skitter (Info) May 01, 2008 23:42:18 ET
In Reply to: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 01, 2008 01:02:13 ET

Mmmmm...synthetic meat, now that sounds tasty! Hey how about some plastic fruit with that...lol

Skitter




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Message #174595 posted by Damndrugtest (Info) May 02, 2008 00:16:47 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by Skitter (Info) May 01, 2008 23:42:18 ET

Just another publicity stunt. Peta will do anything for ink. In fact if somebody came up with what they proposed it would likely be worth far more than a million, and as skitter said it likely wouldn't taste all that good. Ever try powdered eggs? The closest thing to fake meat we have is soy burgers, also not all that tasty. All this talk about food has got me thinking about driving on down to Whataburger and getting me a nice fatty real 100% meat burger. Gotta Go.


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Message #174597 posted by Wirikuta (Info) May 02, 2008 02:17:12 ET
In Reply to: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 01, 2008 01:02:13 ET


if I invented synthetic meat I´d go to the meat supliers, then to PETA, and I would sell myself in half a nanosecond to the highest bider.

after this I would drive my ferari to old san francisco steak house in san antonio and order a shot of tequila, then some wine and HUGE rib eye.

peace, Wirikuta




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Message #174598 posted by bum (Info) May 02, 2008 04:00:30 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by Damndrugtest (Info) May 02, 2008 00:16:47 ET

i know it, you're right. in a few years though, process in vitro meats for chicken
nuggets and the like are totally feasible.

the beginning of in vitro meat will obviously not be great... but as the science
advances, the meat will be closer and closer to the real thing. then, we don't
have to torture animals for food. hooray!




where do i pick up my million bucks?
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Message #174613 posted by forged registration (Info) May 02, 2008 18:42:13 ET
In Reply to: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 01, 2008 01:02:13 ET

does human meat count?

rat with human ear cells implanted in body generates a human ear ready to BBQ or deep fry...great for dipping!

http://www.scq.ubc.ca/filter/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/mouseear.jpg




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Message #174614 posted by bum (Info) May 02, 2008 20:10:02 ET
In Reply to: where do i pick up my million bucks? posted by forged registration (Info) May 02, 2008 18:42:13 ET

sure, i'll eat human meat... i'll even eat fried human rinds.



Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat
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Message #174619 posted by peace frog (Info) May 02, 2008 21:33:13 ET
In Reply to: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 01, 2008 01:02:13 ET

a million is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money finding
such synthetic would take. were talking huge investments to do this type of food
science work. like some poor guy is gonna find it in his basement now lol. fuck
PETA and the liberal media that prints these non-stories.




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Message #174623 posted by bum (Info) May 02, 2008 22:23:37 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by peace frog (Info) May 02, 2008 21:33:13 ET

fuck PETA for what peace frog? it seems to me that all they're trying do is to stir
up a little publicity about in vitro meat because they don't want animals to
suffer.

and how would this be a non-story? how often do you 1) hear about in vitro
meat and 2) hear about PETA supporting anything to do with eating flesh?


if you want to see non-stories, turn on any american news channel. it's not just
liberal media.




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Message #174624 posted by peace frog (Info) May 02, 2008 23:38:04 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 02, 2008 22:23:37 ET

peta is too extreme. its a bunch of kids that never got over seeing bambi's mom
die when they were six so they whine about it and call for the "total liberation of
animals." PETA wants animals to have rights equal to those of a human, i mean
get real how little a sense of reality can you have?

i am all for animals being treated better before they hit my plate, but peta's a
bunch of nuts who's methods are ineffective. there's room on this planet for all
of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatos.





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Message #174628 posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 03:01:23 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by peace frog (Info) May 02, 2008 23:38:04 ET

where did you learn that PETA wants animals to have all the rights that
humans do? and what
does that even mean?!

"Animals should have the right to equal consideration of their interests. For
instance, a dog most
certainly has an interest in not having pain inflicted on him or her
unnecessarily. We are,
therefore, obliged to take that interest into consideration and to respect the
dog’s right not to
have pain unnecessarily inflicted upon him or her."

^^ from their website.


"i am all for animals being treated better before they hit my plate, but peta's a
bunch of nuts who's methods are ineffective. there's room on this planet for
all
of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatos. "

i think you're talking out of your ass peace frog. i don't mean to be rude, but
you don't seem to be
critically thinking about PETA. your generalisation speaks for itself. i would
argue that PETA is
mostly composed of compassionate, thoughtful people. it's hard to give up
meat unless you feel
strong enough about it and even then it is difficult. i have tremendous
respect for these people.
anybody who will change something so fundamental and habitual in their
lives because of their
compassion is an amasing person.

with regard to your claims of ineffectuality, PETA has been incredible in
raising awareness of these
issues and more importantly CHANGING things. i can't quantify the scope of
PETAs efforts but i
assure you they have been wide and far-reaching.

i do know, for example, many of their campaigns and undercover work has
changed many
business practices. here are many, many examples:


In 1981, PETA uncovered the abuse of animals at the Institute for Behavioral
Research in Silver
Spring, Md., launching the historic Silver Spring monkeys’ case. PETA’s
findings led to the first
arrest and conviction of an animal experimenter in the U.S. on charges of
cruelty to animals, the
first confiscation for animal abuse in laboratories, and the first U.S. Supreme
Court victory for
animals in laboratories.

PETA has:
-successfully campaigned to end General Motors’ crash tests on animals
-prompted the first anti-cruelty law in Taiwan
-stopped the construction of a cruel dolphin tank in Virginia
-secured the release of several polar bears who had been suffering in a
tropical circus
-closed down a Texas slaughterhouse operation where 30,000 horses were
trucked in annually
from all over the United States and left to starve in frozen fields without
shelter

-convinced Mobil, Texaco, Pennzoil, Shell, and other oil companies to cover
their exhaust stacks
to save millions of birds and bats.

A PETA investigation led Benetton to ban animal testing—a first for a major
cosmetics retailer.

Today, hundreds of companies have signed PETA’s statement of assurance
not to test their
products on animals. As a result of PETA’s campaign to push PETCO to take
more responsibility
for the animals in its care, the company agreed to stop selling large birds and
to make provisions
for the millions of rats and mice it sells.




California became the first state to file criminal charges against a furrier after
PETA investigators
filmed the furrier electrocuting chinchillas by attaching wires to the animals’
genitals. Because of
PETA, retailers like J.Crew, Wet Seal, Forever 21, and Ann Taylor have stopped
selling fur in their
stores, and top designers such as Ralph Lauren, Marc Bouwer, and Stella
McCartney have banned
the use of fur in their designs.

-PETA prompted McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, Safeway, and other retail
giants to improve
the treatment of animals sold for food.

-PETA’s undercover investigation at Belcross Farm pig-breeding facility led to
the first felony
indictments for cruelty to animals by farm workers.
-After a PETA investigation at Seaboard Farms, Inc., North America’s third-
largest pork producer,
the former manager pleaded guilty to felony cruelty to animals—marking the
first time in U.S.
history that a farmer pleaded guilty to felony cruelty for injuring and killing
animals raised for
food.

Millions of people saw just how cruelly chickens are treated before they’re
served on dinner plates
when PETA released the results of an investigation into a Pilgrim’s Pride
chicken slaughterhouse in
Moorefield, W.Va., where workers were shown on tape stomping birds,
kicking them, and
slamming them against floors and walls. Slaughterhouse employees ripped
the animals’ beaks off,
twisted their heads off, spat tobacco into their eyes and mouths, spray-
painted their faces, and
tied their legs together “for laughs.” Dan Rather echoed the views of all kind
people when he said
on the CBS Evening News, “[T]here’s no mistaking what [the video] depicts:
cruelty to animals,
chickens horribly mistreated before they’re slaughtered for a fast-food
chain.”

-PETA’s mobile spay-neuter clinic has sterilized thousands of animals
belonging to low- income
families.

-PETA routinely works with prosecutors and sheriff’s offices to stop the
abuse of domestic
animals
-in the winter PETA builds doghouses and delivers them (free of charge) to
animals forced to live
outdoors.





so much for 'ineffectual'....




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Message #174633 posted by Higherminded (Info) May 03, 2008 09:18:41 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 03:01:23 ET

I think its a pretty good pr stunt and one million dollars is a good incentive for somebody to come up with something that looks, smells and tastes like meat, especially if they can come up with it for half the cost. Problem is, usually that stuff isn't the same.

I don't know that much about PETA, are they the fur people, the ones that ruin fur? just wondering.
best wishes,
HM




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Message #174637 posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 13:40:31 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by Higherminded (Info) May 03, 2008 09:18:41 ET

Higherminded, the critique is that 1) the amount of money needed for R&D is
at least 50x, more like 100x the award-- and 2) if someone actually did
come up with a competitive product (that's the key point-- it has to actually
good enough to eat and be cheap enough to buy) they would rolling in a lot
more than $1 mil.

except, one million dollars is still one million dollars. that's still a huge fuckin
chunk of change.


PETA does not agree with the fur business but they don't advocate any kind of
action like that. this is their action website if you're curious what they do do:
http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/

here;s part of their mission statement:

PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest numbers of
animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods of time: on factory
farms, in laboratories, in the clothing trade, and in the entertainment
industry. We also work on a variety of other issues, including the cruel killing
of beavers, birds and other "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs.

PETA works through public education, cruelty investigations, research, animal
rescue, legislation, special events, celebrity involvement, and protest
campaigns.






to add to the list of accomplishments, here's another major one:

Not only has PETA convinced Welch's, Ocean Spray, POM Wonderful, and
PepsiCo to end all animal experiments, now multibillion-dollar beverage-
industry giant Coca-Cola has agreed to end all its animal tests as well!





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Message #174638 posted by peace frog (Info) May 03, 2008 14:20:43 ET
In Reply to: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 01, 2008 01:02:13 ET

soon peta will try to outlaw animal crackers, because flour based cookies shaped
like animals also need equal consideration.

- yes, they are the people that throw blood gobs at people that wear fur.




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Message #174641 posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 15:01:56 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by peace frog (Info) May 03, 2008 14:20:43 ET

"soon peta will try to outlaw animal crackers, because flour based cookies
shaped
like animals also need equal consideration. "

which makes so much sense in light of the original topic.


"yes, they are the people that throw blood gobs at people that wear fur."

some PETA member surely do it, but they don't advocate any action like that.






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Message #174643 posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 15:23:12 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 15:01:56 ET

i did a bit of research and found what seems to be the source of your
rhetoric, peace frog. you shouldn't let shitty sensationalist journalists from
college publications speak for you.

title of sensationalist article: "PETA too extreme."

you: "peta is too extreme."


sensationalist: "I'm not saying animal rights is necessarily bad. I'm just saying
PETA isn't the way to go here. Their methods are ineffective."

you: "peta's a
bunch of nuts who's methods are ineffective."


sensationalist: "Yeah, I watched Bambi when I was 6 years old, too. I got over
it. PETA members didn't."

you: "its a bunch of kids that never got over seeing bambi's mom die when
they were six"


http://media.www.theorion.com/media/storage/paper889/news/2004/10/2
7/Opinion/Peta-Too.Extreme-1506717.shtml


that writer is a fool. referring to PETA's claims that vegans make better lovers
as 'unproven' -- sounds like satire, but he's serious LOL

"If you had on a yellow bracelet, PETA hates you double."

if you want to talk about non-stories, well this guy's a non-reporter. it's
funny how your standards switch depending on the story. we, of course, all
do this, but commme onnnnnn. if you want to talk about it, let's TALK, don't
put yourself or myself on ignore. if you want to talk about it, think about it.


contentions carry no weight without support. you've given none.




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Message #174648 posted by phillykid (Info) May 03, 2008 16:34:47 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 15:23:12 ET

I doubt it's going to be some dude in his basement lab coming up with a suitable synthetic meat. 1 million sounds like a lot of money but it's a drop in the bucket for bioengineering R&D where a single machine might easily cost a few hundred Ks.

So far the University of Maryland is working on this using stem cells from animals which I'm sure PETA would not endorse because they need test animals. I also have concerns about using basically a single cell cloned in an articifial environment due to lack of genetic diversity.

Perhaps in the future it might become feasible but I doubt it's going to be any time soon, the amount of testing even after the technique is figured out would probably take years. And if some guy could afford the bio hood, CO2 culture incubator, microscopes etc required for this kind of work I doubt they really care about making a million dollars.

Currently I don't know where the money is going to come from. NIH funding has been stagnant over the past 4-5 years, Bush recently vetoed a proposal to increase their funding from 29 billion to 30 billion. In 2001 applications for grants were being approved at around 30-35% and currently it has dropped to under 20%, and the grant amounts are less due to NIH spreading money to more areas. Biomedical inflation far exceeds the usual consumer inflation and keeping the NIH funding stagnant for 5 years (the 2009 budget doesn't increase funding at all) is really beginning to drive young talented scientists away from academic research and either into pharma R&D or out of the profession altogether.




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Message #174649 posted by The Sage (Info) May 03, 2008 19:05:15 ET
In Reply to: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 01, 2008 01:02:13 ET

I will always prefer real meat until and unless I have no choice. By then, though, I'll probably be long dead.

Humans have evolved to eat meat. That's why it tastes so good. We are all interconnected...

Peace, Sage




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Message #174651 posted by phillykid (Info) May 03, 2008 19:31:24 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by The Sage (Info) May 03, 2008 19:05:15 ET

We didn't evolve to eat meat, chimps our closest relative (unless you believe that this whole evolution thing is crap and women were simply formed from a man's rib in some garden full of magical apples and talking snakes) also are omnivores and eat meat.

Meat is tasty although it is getting a little expensive with the rising cost of corn and gas.

I recently got some boneless sirloins on sale and made beef tataki with them. Just cook the steak in a hot pan about 3-4 minutes per side so it's a bit on the rare side. Then for the dipping tataki sauce mix (it's a citrusy, zesty soy sauce mixture)

1/4 C low sodium soy sauce (or lite soy sauce)(you can use regular soy sauce but cut it with water and add some sugar to reduce the saltiness of it)
1Tbsp + 2 tsp fresh lemon juice
2Tbsp scallions
2tsp grated ginger

I also add a little minced shallots if I have them and sometimes OJ it's still a little too salty.

Slice beef thinly against the grain. Place slices over a bed of matchstick cut carrots and daikon radish (can substitute daikon with regular red radishes if you don't have an asian market nearby).





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Message #174652 posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 19:54:01 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by phillykid (Info) May 03, 2008 19:31:24 ET

"I will always prefer real meat until and unless I have no choice."

what about when lab-grown meat becomes just as good as meat from live
animals? not to mention customisable tenderness and marbling.



and just an observation, phillykid's meat recipe doesn't bother me at all (in
fact i was vividly picturing it and literally salivating). but i feel
like pk has no negative intentions posting it. in comparison to things like:

HAHA I LIKE STEAK AND I'M GOING TO EAT ONE JUST CAUSE YOU DONT EAT
MEAT . !
derrrrrrrrr




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Message #174656 posted by phillykid (Info) May 03, 2008 20:47:48 ET
In Reply to: Re: PETA-- $1 million reward for in vitro meat posted by bum (Info) May 03, 2008 19:54:01 ET

I don't know where it went but the part where I wrote something about Sage liking to cook and posting recipes isn't there...hmmm, perhaps I just thought I typed that, or maybe I was too busy trying to push some Christian buttons lol.

I have no issues with vegetarianism, it is a healthy lifestyle, I just enjoy meat. My moms vegetarian and makes really great food. BTW that tataki sauce is good with crispy veggies over rice as well.

Here's a simple recipe I learned from my mom

Bean sprouts (rip off a little of the root part, it's crispier that way), rinse them
Peel and cut cucumbers into little sticks (matchstick cut)
Combine them, add some peanut powder (from asian market)
I also get frozen fried tofu pieces from the market and heat them in the oven, cut them in half and add to the sprouts and cucumber.
Add sweet chili sauce (the thai style is good) over top and mix everything together.




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