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topping bending and pinching
yummie

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Message #84441 posted by yummie (Info) February 29, 2008 19:00:04 ET

i have never done any of these before, but i read some on it in the past post.
does anyone care to share what they do? when can i start doing this?




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Message #84442 posted by cool beans (Info) February 29, 2008 19:36:56 ET
In Reply to: topping bending and pinching posted by yummie (Info) February 29, 2008 19:00:04 ET

Wow, thats a big Q, and it takes practice to get each method down pat. I did a good amount of whats nowadays called "pinch & bend" some time ago, so i'll try and help with that. It used to be called "supercropping"

I'm not sure how LST {low stress training} fits in the category either, but its also a good method to use.

For P&B, we used to let the girls grow in veg mode 20/4 until they got to about 3ft tall. Then we would flip into bloom {12/12} mode. After a week, when the "stretch" began, we would crush the lower stem with a pair of pliers. The "pinch" would always be above the lowermost 2 branches. Generally about 1 foot abouve the soil line or top of media. Dont cut anything, just squeeze it until it pops and cracks and flattens You may need to move up or down the stem slightly to expand the pinch area.

The idea is to make the stem soft so it bends over to nearly horizontal. Hold the stem in that position with a stake, tape, ziptie, string, or whatever works to hold it in place.

The hormones in the plant will then redistribute, and make all the branches grow upward as a main cola. Done right, it can really increase the amount and size of all the branches.
One tip with this method is to ALWAYS keep the main top slightly higher than the branch tops at all times. We found that if the main top grew below{horizontally} the branch tops, it seemed to limit the bud size in both the maintop, and the branch tops.

All the methods you ask about involved redistributing the plant hormones {Auxins,i think} from the main top, to the branch tips. They all work fine, and like growing methods, its whichever way works in your garden.







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Message #84443 posted by cool beans (Info) March 02, 2008 08:44:25 ET
In Reply to: Re: topping bending and pinching posted by cool beans (Info) February 29, 2008 19:36:56 ET

Heres 3 Mazar girls harvested fron several yrs ago. They were only about 30" tall when cut, but we used the pinch and bend, or supercropping method to get more and bigger branch buds. All the side branches grew into a main cola after we got the stem horizontal You can see we did not prune the main top colas either and they turned out pretty good.

This is a method that works well for the small gardner. The biggest advantage beyond the extra bud at harvest is that just when the girls are going into the stretch phase and hitting the light, you bend them over and eliminate the overheating issue, along with providing good light to the lower branches/buds all along the entire length of the stem.


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Message #84444 posted by del... (Info) March 02, 2008 12:49:05 ET
In Reply to: topping bending and pinching posted by yummie (Info) February 29, 2008 19:00:04 ET

you might be amazed what comes up when you type "bending" or "pinching" into our search window here...! don't let that search function be intimidating...

pinching is usually only done when the plant is early in the seedling stage. doing it later will take up a lot of time for the plant to recover and most likely will decrease the yield rather than increase it, as it usually does if pinched very early...like the 3rd or 4th node (right after they have grown it...don't pinch down there if you're on the 12th or something silly like that)




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Message #84445 posted by cool beans (Info) March 02, 2008 13:43:05 ET
In Reply to: Re: topping bending and pinching posted by del... (Info) March 02, 2008 12:49:05 ET

Yeah, you should definately always look in the search function. I just did a quick search for "pinch" here at MH, and its confusing as hell, especially for a new grower. The way i described is called "pinch & bend" in several threads....but so is the way del described, and they are two totally different methods and end results.

I only saved this one pic, but this is what i was talking about.


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Message #84446 posted by yummie (Info) March 03, 2008 10:18:18 ET
In Reply to: Re: topping bending and pinching posted by cool beans (Info) March 02, 2008 13:43:05 ET

well, ive looked it up in search and started topping and bending. i topped the
plant at the 2nd node (all the post said 3rd or fourth but this is my experiment
plant and i figured id try 2nd) and put clothes pins on the bottom leaves. a new
top seems to be growing in 4 places now. thanks ! oh ya, i took a picture, but
the new growth isnt big enough for a shitty camera to show it. ill update when
it is.




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Message #84447 posted by del... (Info) March 03, 2008 21:10:53 ET
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i dunno...looks about the same to me...

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Message #84449 posted by yummie (Info) March 04, 2008 10:06:26 ET
In Reply to: Re: topping bending and pinching posted by del... (Info) March 03, 2008 21:10:53 ET

what strain is that del? and i think some time this weekend the camera will pick
up the new tops, they just arent big enough yet.




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Message #84459 posted by yummie (Info) March 06, 2008 08:18:36 ET
In Reply to: Re: topping bending and pinching posted by yummie (Info) March 04, 2008 10:06:26 ET

here's the best picture i can get right now. there is new growth at the top of the
plant and at the node of the first set of leaves. i topped the top and bent the
bottom with clothes pins.


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Message #84463 posted by yummie (Info) March 12, 2008 12:18:47 ET
In Reply to: Re: topping bending and pinching posted by yummie (Info) March 06, 2008 08:18:36 ET

look under indoor section for new pictures and questions.



Thnx ~YUMMIE~




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Message #84482 posted by lowcdog (Info) April 01, 2008 15:48:27 ET
In Reply to: Re: topping bending and pinching posted by yummie (Info) March 12, 2008 12:18:47 ET

Hi Dudes,u got most of it covered,when the bud sites start to appear place between your finger and thum and pinch out about 90 per cent of the little bud,2, 4, 6 and even 8 bud sites will grow in their place,it takes a little practice but even if you get it wrong u wont do much ,if any damage,dont pinch after the 3rd week of bloom,take it easy



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