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Xaint Vicioux

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Message #84448 posted by Xaint Vicioux (Info) March 03, 2008 23:34:08 ET

As stated i really appreciate the help and imput everyone is contributing as im new to growing.

the lowest set of leaves is starting to turn yellowish. after trying to search the forums all ive come up with is that its not a big deal if the lowests ones turn... its natural... is this true or am i again doing something wrong

and my eldest is about 3-4 weeks old now and ive read that thats the time you need to introduce nutrients. im planning on heading to home de'pot and picking some up. what kind should i get and how much/often should i give it?




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Message #84450 posted by cool beans (Info) March 04, 2008 12:21:54 ET
In Reply to: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by Xaint Vicioux (Info) March 03, 2008 23:34:08 ET

Yellowing lower leaves arent a huge deal, but it tells you something isnt right. In your last post, several good folks told you the soil was likely too wet, too often. That probably is the cause of the yellowing leaves.

It generally takes a few days for poor plant health prob symptoms to appear, and it takes several days for the new growth to show any improvement after its fixed. Have you fixed the overwatering problem? A good way to tell if the pots need water is to lift them up right after watering...let them dry out for a few days, then lift them again. There should be a noticable difference in weight. Cannabis does its best with a wet and dry cycle. You have to let the soil dry out between waterings.

You show fairly large pots in the previous post, so i doubt if they need much food, if any, yet. Also with large pots, they take longer to dry out, so waterings might only be once a week or so, until they get bigger.

One of the biggest mistakes that new growers make is that they see a problem, and immediatelly start dumping ferts, chemicals, additives, and whatnot on the sick plants. Nine out of ten times, that makes it worse.

On another note...i'm a huge fan of good quality PH and PPM meters, but most every new grower thinks they can "get by" without them. New growers are the folks who need them the most, and once you can get the PH and PPM under control, its a lot easier to go from seed to quality product.

I cant help you with plant food from HD. Never bought any there, but if you really think you need to use ferts, go light at first. {there again, a PPM/PH meter would be a big help}




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Message #84451 posted by del... (Info) March 04, 2008 13:38:27 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by cool beans (Info) March 04, 2008 12:21:54 ET

words of wisdom there beans...but, i don't see how a ppm meter would be of much use in a soil grow. ph tester, definite must-have as tap water in my area is extremely hard and cannabis does not do well at all (leaves turn brown and crispy before falling off) unless the water is treated 1st (i use a britta filter and it brings it down from an off-the-scale 9.5++ to a near-perfect 6.0)...espeically important for indoor grows. they seem to handle it better outdoors when planted directly into the ground...which has been mixed with about half-n-half potting soil from the indoor grows.



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Message #84452 posted by cool beans (Info) March 04, 2008 19:55:26 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by del... (Info) March 04, 2008 13:38:27 ET

Not picking on ya XV. I've killed more seedlings, clones and plants than anybody, but every time i killed something, i tried to learn about WHY. Over time, i finally got it sorta figured out, and although cannabis is a weed and can grow almost anywhere, there are some fairly narrow parameters needed for getting the best out of them.

I remember dumping in ferts and feeding the plants, only to have them dead and fried by next day. NOW i realize it was because the ferts were way too strong for them.

A friend in Iowa has tap water thats over 1000ppm because he lives in a heavy agriculture area. I've lived in a place where the ppm was over 500 out of the tap, and that wont work either. Any tapwater over about 200ppm will cause probs with the plants.

Some soils already have ferts mixed in when you buy them. Its good to use a ppm meter to check the "runoff" of water from the pots, especially if adding stuff. That goes for ph too.

Del mentioned his PH. The target numbers should be about 5.5 to 7.0. There are a whole host of nutrient "lockout" issues than can be caused by the PH being too high or low. If you know the "starting point" of your PH & PPM, and then know what those numbers should be, its a lot easier to succeed.

Check out this chart. It shows the ph where each mineral is most available to the plants.



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Message #84453 posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:38:41 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by cool beans (Info) March 04, 2008 19:55:26 ET

is there a certain kinda ph tester your talking about or can you use a ph tester thats used on fish tanks? and whats ppm? parts per million?


also a couple more questions so ill post some pics with them.




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Message #84454 posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:43:46 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:38:41 ET

first this plant is maybe a month old... if that. from what ive read thats too early to sex it but from what ive read a male plant will have "balls" and a female will have hair like looking things at the 'nodes' (i guess they're called) where the leafs branch off.

looking at the pictures can you tell me if these look like female characteristics or something else...

sorry for the bad quality but its what i got...


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Message #84455 posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:46:35 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:43:46 ET

this next picture is showing the yellowing leaves.

the longer arrows are pointing to the lowest set of leaves where there is only one leaf on each side. the smaller set of arrows are pointing to the next step up of leaves which has 3 leaves on each side. the set of 3 leaves are showing a little bit of yellowing but the single leaves are pretty yellow with very little green still in them

normal or what?


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Message #84456 posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:52:16 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:46:35 ET

this is one of my other ones thats maybe a week 1/2 old. it is bent over severly but still supporting its weight to that side (not resting on anything) is it ok to put more soil around teh base to keep it standing up straight? is it also ok to help support it through out its entire life, like holding it up with straws and string for example

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Message #84457 posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:59:34 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:52:16 ET

on the last pic i said it wasnt resting on anything, which in the picture it is resting on the side of the pot, but wasnt a few min after i took the picture....

now this picture im showing just cause marijuana is just such a beautiful plant. it also smells like skunk even though its just some seeds from decent mids. dont feal comfortable ordering good seeds online living in the states.

any pointers on ordering seeds in the states?

last question for now is: with this plant i didnt use perlite. im guessing it wouldnt be a good idea to transplant into some soil that has perlite mixed in would it ??? now just the fact that its about a month old tells me that the root is gettin pretty big and that if i tried to get most of the soil off, most likely i would severely traumatize the root and most likely kill it. any suggestions on that besides mixing with perlite next time??


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Message #84458 posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 20:04:14 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:59:34 ET

k just read one of the other posts on sexing the plant and i guess its "spurs" im seeing so you can forget aboutt hat question.

also i know my plants are lanky and that keeping the lights closer to them would help




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Message #84460 posted by cool beans (Info) March 06, 2008 09:53:33 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:38:41 ET

I have used the PH tests that you put a drop or two of their reagent into a sample of your water, and then compare the color it turns, to a color chart they provide with the kit. Those seemed to work ok and seemed to give a fairly close general reading. Its been years since trying those and never have looked at an aquarium PH tester, so i dont know if they work.

There are PH&PPM "pens" out that are a mini meter. My own experience with the half dozen i've had is that they last only a short time, like a couple/few months. I went thru six or seven, at about $50/$60 each, Plus lotsa those small, round, batteries, and a lot of frustration when they wouldnt work. There again, its been several years since buying or trying a pen type. Maybe the manufacturers have improved the quality of those types, but i still read posts where someone is having problems with them.

I finally got fed up with the constant probs with the pen types, and bought a Hanna Instruments HI9813 combination PH-PPM meter in 1999 for $200. Its been used every day at least once, holds calibration for at least a year at a time, the 9v battery lasts at least a full yr, and gives me zero problems. I think those might be up around $250 now. I highly recommend those meters.

There are many other of good products around. I see lots of good posts about Blue Lab Truncheons, Milwaukee combo meters, and some others. Check around a few places and you will see there is a lot of discussion about meters, good and bad. Bottom line is....if youre serious about doing this for the long term, you WILL eventually get a good meter. I wish i had spent the the $200 on my Hanna right off the bat, rather that wasting money, time and effort on the "throw aways"

Yes PPM=parts per million. Another definition is EC=electrical conductivity. They both mean the same thing to you as a grower. Its how much stuff {usually fertilizers} are in the water.







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Message #84461 posted by del... (Info) March 06, 2008 16:33:28 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:52:16 ET

they will stretch like that when they're not getting enough light...and adding a fan to keep a gentle breeze flowing over/thru them will strengthen those stems. you can add more soil but is best to keep their environment where they can do their best on their own...



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Message #84462 posted by del... (Info) March 06, 2008 16:37:41 ET
In Reply to: Re: More Q's - appreciate the help posted by xaint vicioux (Info) March 05, 2008 19:59:34 ET

your soil does look pretty rich (pretty wet too). i add 2 parts of cactus mix to 3 parts potting soil but perlite will do...my mix can usually drain out in 2-3 days depending on ambient humidity...and as we all know, cannabis doesn't do well when it's constantly wet.



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