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advice on small outdoor setup
redeyedrevolutionist

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Message #84487 posted by redeyedrevolutionist (Info) April 20, 2008 22:24:14 ET

Where I live we have a great grow season And dut to financial set back, I know I wont be able to produce any high times product. I just want to get what I can beaing its my firt gro. Wjhats a cheap potting soil? I have been thinking about using the miracle gro, if you think of something better in that same price range let me know.
I plan to start them in small pots, and transfer them to bigger pots as they grow.
How far away should I move them to prevent pollination, I am debating on saving the males to make hash, but If there is3 or less males I will I would probably just throw them away, or make brownies, can you make brownies from males?
Any help woulf be greatly appreciated. Remember though I am on very limited income.

Thanks

Red




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george j warner

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Message #84488 posted by george j warner (Info) April 22, 2008 20:27:44 ET
In Reply to: advice on small outdoor setup posted by redeyedrevolutionist (Info) April 20, 2008 22:24:14 ET

hey man, firstly dont get miracle grow soil get normal compost and add some Perlite (looks like white broken polystrene balls but hard) you can get it from any garden centre. then get some rose fertalizer as a cheap alternative to propper stuff.

seeds: any outdoor strain will give you good results but if you season is excellent get some seeds that mostly indica with a thc rating 15% plus. will shown you if you havent got a clue..

now when you grow you kill the males you only grow females. yes you can make harsh from males but the pollen gets into it and spoils it ,and if theres a wind blowing male to female you plant will be ruined and covered in seeds.
kill the males and make harsh from the leaves from the females.

if you get 10 seeds and they all germinate expect to get about 4 females this doesnt sound alot but outdoor plants can yeild a shit load so no worries (shit load = up to 1.5kg) expect to get around 200 - 500 grams (7 -18 oz)per plant

no male make brownies from hash-bud there better.

if i were you and you want big plants (big yeild) get big pots straight away and save the money. this will give the plants faster growth.

hope this helps




Re: advice on small outdoor setup
yummie

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Message #84490 posted by yummie (Info) April 23, 2008 13:18:12 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by george j warner (Info) April 22, 2008 20:27:44 ET

i start my plants in miracle grow and it works great. Growing the magic weed is
an art and everyone has there own way of doing it. for me its just trial and error
from grow to grow. i try something new every time. i also like to change from
little pots to big ones because its easy to over water a small plant in a big pot.
but it all works man.




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Message #84491 posted by del... (Info) April 24, 2008 00:20:08 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by yummie (Info) April 23, 2008 13:18:12 ET

go to any grow site and bring up your feelings about miracle grow soil and see what happens...it's simply not for us and for good reason. there was a time when fellow members would get almost violent with whomever brought up such blasphemy...! and i shit you not!

and overwatering is something that will never happen with proper drainage.




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Message #84493 posted by yummie (Info) April 29, 2008 21:52:18 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by del... (Info) April 24, 2008 00:20:08 ET

you do it your way, and ill do it mine. they both work. cant tell me that miracle
grow soil doesn't produce huge buds full of sticky resin and resting on a nice
sturdy branch. ive seen it and done it.




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cool beans

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Message #84494 posted by cool beans (Info) April 30, 2008 08:03:37 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by yummie (Info) April 29, 2008 21:52:18 ET

Yummie, you ever heard the expression "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? Going back over all your posts here, you show sickly looking seedlings in the pics, use low powered crappy lites, and ask the most basic Q's that all new growers ask. Now youre telling 2 experienced growers that they dont know what theyre talking about. I know we all want to think we can help someone out, but that was bad advice from someone who is new to this hobby. Please do some research or gain a lot more experience before offering such poor advice

I've also tried, and had bad luck with Miracle Grow soil. Its too strong for seedlings and young plants, and can kill them.

Miracle Grow ferts are a very cheaply made fertilizer that cant provide the micronutrients for later in a plants life. There will always be deficiencies and PH unbalance with MG soil, and their line of fertilizers.

ROR, i.ve recently done some research on "store bought" fertilizers, and nobody uses Miracle Grow ferts. Its kinda like Del said, MG hasnt got many friends. I did find several knowledgable growers threads that said Peters fertilizers worked pretty well. There was one particular Peters fert that seemed to work well. I cant remember the name, but it was something like "Gardeners Choice" or "Professional Gardners", or something in the Peters line that might make you think it was a step above their normal line of products. Dont get me wrong, i'm NOT recommending Peters, and i never used it, just relaying some of the info i've found. I'm sure a quick search for Peters fertilizers will bring it up, and you can make an educated decision. Good luck.






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Message #84495 posted by yummie (Info) April 30, 2008 09:46:06 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by cool beans (Info) April 30, 2008 08:03:37 ET

right, you know me better than me. im quite sure it works because ive seen it
and smoked it. weed that makes your head spin. if you look, this is an outdoor
forum. those lights are working fine to get my plants started. thats all i need,
then i put them out b4 i need any more light. here is a picture of a sprout under
that light (and also in miracle grow). knock it all you want. just because people
are too dumb to figure out how to grow good pot in a soil that isnt as easy to do
it in, doesnt mean that its not possible. and nobody said anything about ferting.


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Message #84496 posted by yummie (Info) April 30, 2008 09:50:23 ET
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"i bet its all stretched out because you didnt show the side" well, here you go-

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Message #84497 posted by cool beans (Info) April 30, 2008 18:33:58 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by yummie (Info) April 30, 2008 09:50:23 ET

Hey Red, I did it the cheap way once by finding some local topsoil. Collect more than you need. Break up the large chunks, remove all the debris, and get it pretty clean.
Then add 2 gallons {by volume} of perlite for every 5gal bucket. Mix well. Its a lot of work if its more than a couple buckets full.

I see pallets of bags of lawn and garden supplies at almost every large grocery, hardware, and home improvement store. Some of those must be top, or potting soil. Read the fine print on them. You dont want anything with fertilizers added in.

Most will not have perlite added in either, so you still need to mix some in for good drainage.

Hyponex potting soil is what i use in small amounts for seedlings or cloning sometimes. Its nothing special. Thats whats around here locally, and it has no ferts mixed in.

Never used any, but lots of top soil growers say that Fox Farms-Ocean Forest Mix is the best there is. I'm sure its expensive, and i think its mostly sold at grow equipment and supply stores, or "hydro stores"





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Message #84498 posted by del... (Info) May 01, 2008 13:40:34 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by yummie (Info) April 30, 2008 09:46:06 ET

if you would look you would see this is the general (aka 'basic') INDOOR room, not the outdoor board which is down the hall a bit...

and don't knock doing it the proper way and advice from those who have more experience with grows and helping others get there. going cheap will get results and if a mediocre harvest is all that's required then you're in business but until you try using the tried and proven methods i suggest keeping the advice for others to a minimum. many here have decades of experience doing this both indoors and out and newb's would do well by listening and not looking right away for the easy and cheap way out...save the shorcuts and experiments for the time when you can afford to lose a few plants.




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yummie

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Message #84499 posted by yummie (Info) May 02, 2008 09:22:58 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by del... (Info) May 01, 2008 13:40:34 ET

its obvious that spending money on a HPS or MH or even the new LED lights
would be a better idea. the thing is, that some people just dont have the money
to do that ( even more so if you live in the USA right now). i know that there are
much better ways to grow a nice plant, but some of us dont have hundreds to
fork out. And The room is "Basic Growing" (i was wrong there) but the topic
that was posted is "advice on small OUTDOOR setup." im not really about this
internet agression, im just saying that it is possible to get a couple of buds at
the end of the year without spending hundreds.




The el cheapo way
cool beans

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Message #84500 posted by cool beans (Info) May 02, 2008 20:07:59 ET
In Reply to: Re: advice on small outdoor setup posted by yummie (Info) May 02, 2008 09:22:58 ET

Hey RED, heres one of my cheap and brilliant ideas from way back in the beginner days that might get you a laugh. There was no internet forums like now, and all our info came from a book or two.

Being poor, me and a girlfriend decided to fill twenty, 5gal buckets with our own mix of homemade "supersoil". The idea was to use a spare bedroom in the mobile home we were renting as the growroom.
I went and bought a half pickup load of topsoil from a landscape place.
Went to walmart and bought a BUNCH of bags of Perlite {dont remember how many}, and a 10 pound bag of dolomite limestone. Then went to my uncles farm and shoveled five buckets of cowshit.
Brought it all home and shoveled it all out onto a big blue tarp. It was a tough job getting that all mixed together and it took a full day of shoveling,mixing,shoveling,mixing.

At that time the smelt were spawning in Michigan, so we put the grow project on hold and went smelt dipping. Got a BUNCH of smelt {a barrell full} and cleaned smelt for many, many hrs after getting back home. All that time while sitting there cleaning fish got me thinking about the several places in the grow book that had mentioned that fish emulsion, and even a buried fish under the plants were going to add extra nutrients to the plants.

I decided it would be a great idea to fill our grow buckets with 8" of our mixed up soil...then add 2" of smelt guts and heads, and another 4" of soil on top.

All was fine for a week. The seedlings we transplanted seemed to do real well, and we were quite proud of all the effort it took to get to that point.

The weather got real hot then, so we decided to spend the weekend camping at a local lake, so we packed up, locked and closed up the mobile home, and left for three days.

It stayed real hot the whole weekend, and when we got back home from the lake, the house was real warm inside. I went around and started opening windows and doors inside and when i got to the growrooms door, i heard a strange noise. Opened the door, and there literally were MILLIONS of house flys filling the room. In my eyes,nose,ears, couldnt even take a breath without eating flys. Of coures, when i opened the door, they swarmed out to fill the house too.

Looked at the buckets, and millions of maggots were swarming in the buckets. Maggots all over the floor and dripping sheets of maggots down the outside of the buckets. I looked closer and the top 4" of soil was actually moving, and the 2" of buried fishguts had turned into a solid layer of maggots under the soil.

There was an outside door to that room, so i backed the pickup up to the door, and started hauling buckets of supersoil and maggots to dump into the truck. Didnt take but a few minutes to get 2 days of hard work, and all 20 nice seedlings dumped, but it took several more hrs to clean up the maggots and shoo out most of the flys. It wasnt too funny at the time, but its a good memory now. Good growing




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