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Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone

PuReKnOwLeDgE Registered on May-27-2003 More User Info Message #43663 posted by PuReKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 22, 2007 16:32:49 ET Hey fellas, So I figured this would be the place to come for help with my new PPM meter. I got the Hanna Gro all in one PH/EC/TDS/Temp meter!!! I know I know its frickin sweet...lol....except I have no idea what to do now...Hahaha No I read the directions though and I get the jist of it... it has been calibrated Found out my ph of my faucet water is 9.13...ewwww my PPM of my faucet water is even uglier...278 ewwww So I came to the conclusion no matter what for now on I will be buying water from the store ok guys so here is the question... I have tons of food for my babies, but what do I do PPM wise...I see the charts for medium plants it says 300-600 PPM. Is that just for the main veg bute or is that 600ppm for all nutes combined? Here is my feeding regime, if you could give me sorta a step by step or something? Foxfarm Growbig (currently recieving one half teaspoon/gallon) Liquid Karma @ recommended doasge for vegging...like 10-15ML/gallon Silca Blast (will be first time using) Cal-Mag (first time using as well) Superthrive when needed hydrogen peroxide epsom salts (no longer needed cause of cal mag but I got some) Europhric PH Down These Ladies are for Mothers only so no flower nutes will be needed...I do have tiger bloom and rainbow mix (blood meal, guano, sea kelp, high phosphurus basically) Here is what I think I should do: buy my water-check PPM add growbig @ my current dosage and check PPM, then lower/raise to my desired amount in 1 gallon of water Do I check each componet in its own gallon of water till I figure out the dose and PPM I will get from application ? Im confused guys and hopefully your not...what do I do.?? Ladies are on day 23 of growing...they have no problem with nutes except one did, but I suspect PH has not been good...they are in Pro-mix with 20% perlite added....they have shown minor leaf curl due to magnesium deficency...or possibly PH...and only the Kush strains have done so...one plant fried in like 12 hours last time I nuted..my favorte one... :( ...has the fattest indica leaves I have ever seen in my life...got the strin from some good smoke, prolly british columbian weed....only saved four seeds all year and this one cracked and wasnt a runt...I flushed that one real good...trimmed off dead leaf parts...and all ew growth is doing good just slightly stunted...I think that strain was just sensitive cause the rest of them loved it... where do i start...what do I do...what would you do...any insight would be appreciated..

Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone

george j warner Registered on Sep-02-2006 More User Info Message #43665 posted by george j warner (Info) February 22, 2007 19:41:21 ET In Reply to: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone posted by PuReKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 22, 2007 16:32:49 ET you sure its been calibrated coz that sound very high 9.1 ph ok that might be your water ...dam though ...but an ec/cf reading of 280/28 is stupid! thats how strong the nute tank is at the end of flowering with flowering ferts and bloom booster mixed in !!!!!

Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone

PuReKnOwLeDgE Registered on May-27-2003 More User Info Message #43666 posted by PuReKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 22, 2007 20:08:10 ET In Reply to: Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone posted by george j warner (Info) February 22, 2007 19:41:21 ET its a .5 conversion....271 ppm means .542 EC? 271 divided by 500 my shitty ph meter rapidtest for soil said it was 7.0. ph test strips said 7.2-7.4 there is a calibration sheet included in the box with results of calibration I think I will stick with bottled water from the store... I read up on the meters a bit... I will stick to 1/2 the doasges on the bottle and figure it out from there I guess...I just dont know If I should be testing each supplment in a seperate gallon container so I can figure out how many ppm it adds to the water...then add all supplments to a gallon and get the end ppm? should veg nutes 300ppm be minus the ppm of the water? In example my total ppm would be 571 with my faucet water...maybe my gf didnt rinse the glass I used to test meter and maybe I should let it sit for 24 hours on bubbler?

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sanclem Premier Member Registered on Nov-16-2000 More User Info Message #43667 posted by sanclem (Info) February 22, 2007 21:20:58 ET In Reply to: Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone posted by PuReKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 22, 2007 20:08:10 ET tape water works great for humans and plants now if you tape water is say easy numbers 300 you want a total of 1000 to 1200 or 700-900 over tape water Now look at your leafs , it takes about 3 days for the ferts and ph to take effect You can use ph down to get in the ball park...... but never rush it. What you want to provide the max output of the plant is a little tip burn 1/16 to 1/8 inch leaf tip burn. to max. the ferts with a ph of 5.3-5.8 I'll look for the chart on fert uptake at ph levels. note that you watch you plants each day and note the ph and ppm , keep track of it and you will win

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PuReKnOwLeDgE Registered on May-27-2003 More User Info Message #43668 posted by PuReKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 22, 2007 21:27:17 ET In Reply to: starting on line one posted by sanclem (Info) February 22, 2007 21:20:58 ET Thanks for your input Sancelem...so 300ppm for my water out of the faucet isnt all that bad at 271 ppm? I thought it was a lil high but that is based off of RO water being at what 80ppm? Reverse osmosis is in my future when I am all set up but for now got to get my mommies bangin... Organic nutes...I heard have a little bit of a problem registering on a ppm meter...how far off are they...plus or minus...rough estitmate...I know I will always give a lil less rather than too much Do I only need to watch the PPM for my veg nutes...and everything else the PPM it adds doesnt matter much...of course not going over there current dosage... like if I add 400PPM of big grow to water at 271=671... than I add cal-Mag, silca blast...and LK...this will obviously affect my ppm...should I count those nutes into the PPm or ignore whatever extra it adds...?

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trippruss Registered on Apr-10-2002 More User Info Message #43671 posted by trippruss (Info) February 23, 2007 02:01:31 ET In Reply to: Re: starting on line one posted by PuReKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 22, 2007 21:27:17 ET my well water iway above that. of course i have all the goodies still in it before the treatnent plant adds all the chenicals like floride & chlorine, these alone will give u a high read. let the water sit for a day $ take another meassure. hard water even if it's city will have high PH. r p.s. treat is as base & mix as if zeero, always top with ph'd water tho

Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone

* del... * Board Moderator Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #43672 posted by del... (Info) February 23, 2007 14:21:23 ET In Reply to: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone posted by PuReKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 22, 2007 16:32:49 ET just a quick side-note here on tap water ph... my tap water is well over 9.0 too (damn desert water) and i used to buy my water until i tried a filter. i found Brita Water Filters work great for our needs! it brings my tap water down to a perfect 6-6.5 and has made a big difference with rooting clones. i picked up my quart-size filter/pitcher for 22 bucks and it's even better than distilled water for them, at least according to my recent couple of clone batches vs years of using distilled (clone pics are at "new marihemp" in the indoor room). i'm a dirt farmer so particulates aren't really a concern for me but i'm sure these Brita Filters will help with that too. i tossed the box w/directions and info or else i'd probably know for sure but i do know it takes river water and makes it appear as clean as any bottled water (but i wouldn't drink it). it solved my water prob and hope it helps yours...

Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone

PureKnOwLeDgE Registered on May-27-2003 More User Info Message #43673 posted by PureKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 23, 2007 15:33:01 ET In Reply to: Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone posted by del... (Info) February 23, 2007 14:21:23 ET sounds like that is what I will do, thanks for the wonderful tip, you know I acually am not far from water plant, and actually our water here is supposed to be best in the country, or was or almsot, but I know a few years back it was number 1...huh...ill get a filter though...thanks man

Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone

lowcdog Registered on Mar-06-2005 More User Info Message #43674 posted by lowcdog (Info) March 22, 2007 17:00:10 ET In Reply to: Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone posted by PureKnOwLeDgE (Info) February 23, 2007 15:33:01 ET Hi dudes,hey man u got too much stuff,heres the drift,put your water into a res,put in a air stone and let it sit for 24hrs,add your nutes,not to much though,let it sit for an hr then take your ph reading,ajust acordinary,if you are just feeding mothers i would keep the ph as near to 5.8 as i could and feed em half strenth feed,dont let em get too green,try to keep mummy a slightly paler shade of green,it helps cuttings root,aparently,lol,take it easy.

Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone

* del... * Board Moderator Premier Member Registered on Feb-22-2000 More User Info Message #43677 posted by del... (Info) March 26, 2007 18:06:11 ET In Reply to: Re: Ok PPM Experts....Sanclem and George or anyone posted by lowcdog (Info) March 22, 2007 17:00:10 ET hmm, i've always thought a healthy and well fed plant makes the best clones because of the cuttings having to get by on pure water for up to a couple of weeks while they root. which is why many tend to be on the lime green side when ready to be potted...but i guess it's worth a test with the next batch of cuttings. can't hurt... and yes, i agree about the slightly higher acidic water for faster rooting and maintaining plants during veg. i've been watching closely and testing my water during the past 6 months and use it at just under 6.0 and have been having much better success rates with the cuttings than ever before and everything i do has been the same as the past...so it must be the water. Testing the tap water is probably the most important thing one can do for a healthy indoor garden (and fixing if necessary of course).

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